I suggest that we take an unscientific vote on this matter, then table the topic until there is some more definitive news, which may never come, but then again might.
The wisdom of crowds suggests that our completely biased and boneheaded attitudes and beliefs--contradictory as the stew of opinions here is--might well cancel each other out in such a way as to provide a valid collective answer.
Then we can come back in a year, decade, or whenever, and some can yell, "I told you so!" from their respective berths in the nursing home, before, that is, speedily reattaching the oxygen mask and HGH drip.
Add an "I'd like to believe (she's clean) but have questions" button. But, again, the results of this poll prove nothing. So it's interesting but useless as far as determining the truth.
Edited to clarify initial statement.
I think everyone would like to believe she's clean. I just want to see what people actually think--convinced one way or the other (standard for criminal trial), skeptical but leaning in one direction or the other (standard for civil trial), or truly unable to decide (not sure what this is a standard for, other than maybe a hung jury).
As far as the uselessness of such polls go, you're almost certainly correct. However, I heard once in a description of "the wisdom of crowds" that somebody asked a throng to estimate the weight of a bull. Guesses varied all over the map, from 200 lb. to 12,000. But when you totalled up all the guesses and averaged them, the "wise crowd" had collectively pegged the bull's weight within an ounce or two of its real weight.
Of course, you need a pretty big crowd to get such results, and I don't think it works for everything. For instance, we had a fairly big crowd voting in the past two presidential elections...but the cleanliness or dirtiness involved in this is another topic altogether.
we had a fairly big crowd voting in the past two presidential elections...but the cleanliness or dirtiness involved in this is another topic altogether.LOL. I also like the idea of coming back in twenty or thirty years from our nursing home beds with a declaration of "I told you so!" Though, I won't be able to claim anything since I can't make up my mind definitively. I guess I'll choose the "I can't decide" option since I'll likely never know and I go back and forth on my thoughts about it all.
George, I think it depends on what "drugs" are.
I do:
lipitor
effexor
lexapro
aspirin and nsaids
the occasional modafanil
vicodin/percocets following tooth extraction, etc. (please note, neighborhood addicts: it's all gone now--no need to ransack my already ruined estate in pursuit to left over pulvules!)
Nyquil whenever I can get my hands on it
ambien
in the past:
spirited and hop-based beverages
the vapors that cannot be named (very rarely: made me exceedingly paranoid)
andogrel -- a testosterone replacement formulation you rub into your skin (did this for an article in Modern Maturity--had no effects that I could determine)
for another article (this one for GQ) I took several $100 worth of GNC OTC supplements, from creatine to whey protein to what the maker claimed were HGH precursors--these did have an effect, i.e., turning my urine into such a neon spectacular it was kind of like a Fourth of July extravaganza every time I relieved myself
in my younger years, there were all manner of inappropriately prescribed anti psychotics and the like.
so far, I haven't found anything, besides Jolt gum and Triberry Gu, that has helped my swimming at all!
Was it legal after all a doctor prescribed it and injected it.
Just a few weeks back Lilly settled for $690m for improper marketing of Zyprexa. I believe it is some violation of law to administer a drug not for its intended purpose, but I'm not entirely sure on that. Nevertheless, it certainly is financially unwise to do so.
Just a few weeks back Lilly settled for $690m for improper marketing of Zyprexa. I believe it is some violation of law to administer a drug not for its intended purpose, but I'm not entirely sure on that. Nevertheless, it certainly is financially unwise to do so.
A nonapproved or off-label use is not necessarily per se a violation of the law.
"Jayhawk," that's the funniest thing I've seen here! Maybe Scene Two will have a role for the Admins: "Registration is now open for the long-course polar swim. This year we are floating polyfoam icebergs with virtual polar bears posed menacingly on them to make you swim faster. Separate heats for the 120-140 age group and for Long-Tailed Mermaid Monofins. The **ssians have promised not to spike the free water bottles with heavy metals.":cool:
Scene: The USMS Nursing Home
Date: The year 2048
geochuck: "Did you see that on the TV? See, I told you she was clean. They tested her blood samples using that new Robo-Nuke-6000-Electron-Imager. I told you so! I told you so!"
aquageek: "He's just in a good mood because he broke all of those 160+ age group records last week."
scyfreestyler: "Isn't it funny, back then we thought 41 was old. We sure had to eat crow when SwimStud broke Phelps's 200 Fly WR at age 60."
SwimStud: "Yes, the ladies flocked to me after that one."
Fortress: "That's nothing. I could have whipped him if I hadn't broken my toe for the 74th time."
TheGoodSmith: "The Robo-Nuke-6000-Electron-Imager still doesn't prove that she's clean. Those BALCO guys anticipated its invention and worked around it."
geochuck: "The Mexicans don't believe in the Robo-Nuke-6000-Electron-Imager. They're the ones who proved the value of two margaritas before a race."
ande: "I just got an e-mail about that new Speedo suit, the Titanium Corset. Not too pricey at $3,400.00."
Fortress: "My great-great-great-grandkids are swimming against summer league swimmers whose parents bought them the Titanium Corset."
(Clock chimes in background)
scyfreestyler: "Well, you know what time it is..."
SwimStud: "It's noodle time! Let's hit the pool!"
aquageek: :rant3:
:lmao::applaud:
POST NOODLE VISIT FROM NURSE:
Nurse: "Did you have a nice noodle? Here are your meds, kids."
(S)he-Man: "I've told you before, I refuse to take them. I'm sticking with my chiropractor's homeopathic regimen until I become senile."
Jim Thornton: "Can I have yours?"
Ande: "I'm skipping my sedative today, thanks. I snoozed so much yesterday, I forgot to post to my geezer blog. It's up to 1,000,000,000 views now."
Aquageek: "What's your monthly pill bill these days, (S)he-Man?"
(S)he-Man: "Well, at least one of us here can wear the Titanium Corset. Better that than a tri bike with bell, although I DO so respect triathletes for their training ethic."
Noodles Romanoff: "I am still sick of the valueless, meaningless squabbling. Soon Ande will be necro-ing the cursed tri thread again and I'll have to log on as my alias to scold people. Don't you people ever grow up and act like mature adults?"
Jim Thornton: "Why do that? Where's my manservant? I'd like a massage with my meds to achieve the proper reverie for contemplating my reckless debauched youth."
Ande: "Sorry, Fortress has passed on. She sprained her ankle on the walking path and fell into a car."
Aquageek: "Can I have my Lance crackers, nurse?"
Nurse: "They've been banned as illegal substances, I'm afraid."
Aquageek: :rant3: I'm going back to ice cream, doritos and beer then.
Paul Wolf (groggily waking up): "Isn't that what we're supposed to eat? Damn, I missed noodle time again. Wish I could sleep better.
Aquageek: "Try ambien."
Jim Thornton: "Yes, do try it. Is the nurse gone? I've got one hidden in my slipper here that I can spare."
Ande: "He's got to post drug use on his blog."
(S)he-Man: "Paul, don't do it! Stay clean. Think of your legacy."
Ande: "Yes, listen to her. (S)he's fast."
Jonathan Miller: "DING, DING, DING. Yesssiiiirrrrr, she's amazing, incredible, indescribable ...."
Noodles Romanoff: "Chat hour is over. Post it on the rant thread if you must carry on."
Aquageek: Can I have my Lance crackers, nurse?
Nurse: They've been banned as illegal substances.
Have I previously made known my addiction to Lance crackers or have you visited my pantry? I would seriously die of hunger if they were banned, in a matter of days.
Once a medicine had been approved by the FDA a physician is free to prescribe it for anything he/she feels is appropriate(with some restrictions on category II restricted meds.)
