Butterfly Help/Video Analysis

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We had a videotaping session in practice on Wed and I got some video of my butterfly. I've been trying to work on my butterfly lately but I could really use some pointers and suggestions for specific things to work on and how to work on them. Clearly the turnover is too slow. Lack of range of motion in my shoulders doesn't allow me to keep my hands at the surface while my chest is down the way that people like Phelps do. In the underwater side view it looks like my hips sink way too much and then don't quite make it back up to the surface, but I don't know what to do about that other than a quicker recovery. youtube.com/watch Thanks in advance for any suggestions!
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    At practice last night I got at least a few glimmers of what I hope is my new fly style, without the fins. On top of trying to get a quick early breath and staying shallow I thought a bit about Jonathan's point about the finish. It does seem that really accelerating the end of the arm action helps with staying low over the water and staying flat as the arms reenter. I think part of the thing with fins is just that you go faster and it is easier to stay flat when you are going faster. I also tried to deemphasize the kick, but also keep my legs relatively straight and as high in the water as possible. I'm not sure but it did seem that I could keep my hips up a little better if I pressed down with my thighs a little in the latter part of the recovery. I ran across an interesting video on youtube, it is a promo for the TI BetterFly for Every Body video: youtube.com/watch The video talks about two styles, demonstrated by Terry and Stephan. Stephan's style is much shallower than Terry's, and it made me wonder what he was doing differently (see the attached pics and the video). Certainly one thing is he never bends his knees anywhere near as much as as Terry, which made me wonder if keeping the legs straighter for longer might reduce sinking? A bit of background, when I learned fly a few years ago I decided I wanted to do the 200 fly, and I think that led me to a style with a lot of glide and I think up and down. This is what I am trying to get away from now. QuickSilver, please keep on telling me to keep low and shallow, I think it is starting to sink in, and I think it's leading me in the right direction!
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  • Former Member
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    At practice last night I got at least a few glimmers of what I hope is my new fly style, without the fins. On top of trying to get a quick early breath and staying shallow I thought a bit about Jonathan's point about the finish. It does seem that really accelerating the end of the arm action helps with staying low over the water and staying flat as the arms reenter. I think part of the thing with fins is just that you go faster and it is easier to stay flat when you are going faster. I also tried to deemphasize the kick, but also keep my legs relatively straight and as high in the water as possible. I'm not sure but it did seem that I could keep my hips up a little better if I pressed down with my thighs a little in the latter part of the recovery. I ran across an interesting video on youtube, it is a promo for the TI BetterFly for Every Body video: youtube.com/watch The video talks about two styles, demonstrated by Terry and Stephan. Stephan's style is much shallower than Terry's, and it made me wonder what he was doing differently (see the attached pics and the video). Certainly one thing is he never bends his knees anywhere near as much as as Terry, which made me wonder if keeping the legs straighter for longer might reduce sinking? A bit of background, when I learned fly a few years ago I decided I wanted to do the 200 fly, and I think that led me to a style with a lot of glide and I think up and down. This is what I am trying to get away from now. QuickSilver, please keep on telling me to keep low and shallow, I think it is starting to sink in, and I think it's leading me in the right direction!
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