Are there experts out there in dealing with "local" (i.e. LMSC or ZONE) records within Hy-Tek Meet Manager? I have been going crazy trying to create and update them within MM. Here are some of my issues:
1. Hy-Tek can only export records to .REC file format. Hy-Tek does not allow masters meets to import .REC files. So, in order to move a record file from meet to meet, you have to export as .REC, open the (next) meet, change the meet set up to "Open", import the .REC file, change the meet back to "Masters" and work with the records. (and I also have experienced this not working).
2. When importing from two comma delimited format (mimicking the INAT.SCM and RNAT.SCM files (as examples)) files, MM creates duplicate entries of the men's and women's relays. The mixed relays are fine. Has anyone experienced this dilemma?
3. The record report output is just a continuous listing of records - by event number or by age group. No groupings/columns with headings. I have never seen records listed this way!
Being a Hy-Tek neophyte, I am ready to accept that I am doing everything wrong, so please show me the way!! (I looked for user documentation with details on masters records and exchanged MANY e-mails with Bob from Hy-Tek (who is ready to kill me)). Many thanks if you know how to work it and can share your wisdom!
Ed Tsuzuki
I'm no Meet Manager expert (I'm certainly not going to spend the money to get anything more than the Demo version).
But it appears that the limitation to prohibit REC files from being imported is an intentional limitation of the program. From the online help:
1. You may import a HY-TEK Record file that has been created by HY-TEK's TEAM MANAGER or MEET MANAGER. The HY-TEK Record file always has the file extension ".REC". The Record holder information is currently an 80 character field. So first, MM checks to see if this record is for a relay event. If it is a relay, it takes the first 30 characters as the record holder info and the last 50 characters as the relay names. If it is not a relay, it takes the first 30 characters as the record holder info and next 16 characters for the team affiliation.
2. You may Import a US Masters (USMS) comma delimited Records file. HY-TEK includes the World and National USMS Records files for all three courses in the installation directory that was specified when you installed MM. The file extensions for Masters files are .scm, .lcm, and .scy. MM cannot export records in the Masters format.
Why it can't import REC files for Masters meets when that's all you can export mystifies me. I suppose that they assume that people are keeping their records in comma seperated spreadsheets, and that that's the simplest way to go, but then you would think they could export to those formats. It's not as if this is a complex software problem--coding the solution should be fairly straightforward.
I did grab the FINA Masters world records from their website, but I didn't see the duplication issue (I attached the report if you want to look). It could be a problem in your record files themselves, or I might not be importing enough records to say for sure (the Meet Manager Demo only allows you to setup meets with up to 6 events). It may also be because of switching the meet format back and forth is causing problems (it could change the default age group setup I suppose). Or your version of Meet Manager could be old (the latest version is 2.0Fn, which was pushed out Saturday).
For #3, it certainly looks like a bare report, but most of the time when I see hosts MM records, they'll distill and post the recordbreaker report instead of the plain records. There really isn't much you can do make them more elaborate in Meet Manager I think. Running the report in Team Manager doesn't really look much better either.
If you want me to take a look at your records files to see if there's a problem with them, drop me a line at pakman044@usms.org. Of course, it's also possible someone may be able to answer your questions better than I!
Patrick King
I'm no Meet Manager expert (I'm certainly not going to spend the money to get anything more than the Demo version).
But it appears that the limitation to prohibit REC files from being imported is an intentional limitation of the program. From the online help:
1. You may import a HY-TEK Record file that has been created by HY-TEK's TEAM MANAGER or MEET MANAGER. The HY-TEK Record file always has the file extension ".REC". The Record holder information is currently an 80 character field. So first, MM checks to see if this record is for a relay event. If it is a relay, it takes the first 30 characters as the record holder info and the last 50 characters as the relay names. If it is not a relay, it takes the first 30 characters as the record holder info and next 16 characters for the team affiliation.
2. You may Import a US Masters (USMS) comma delimited Records file. HY-TEK includes the World and National USMS Records files for all three courses in the installation directory that was specified when you installed MM. The file extensions for Masters files are .scm, .lcm, and .scy. MM cannot export records in the Masters format.
Why it can't import REC files for Masters meets when that's all you can export mystifies me. I suppose that they assume that people are keeping their records in comma seperated spreadsheets, and that that's the simplest way to go, but then you would think they could export to those formats. It's not as if this is a complex software problem--coding the solution should be fairly straightforward.
I did grab the FINA Masters world records from their website, but I didn't see the duplication issue (I attached the report if you want to look). It could be a problem in your record files themselves, or I might not be importing enough records to say for sure (the Meet Manager Demo only allows you to setup meets with up to 6 events). It may also be because of switching the meet format back and forth is causing problems (it could change the default age group setup I suppose). Or your version of Meet Manager could be old (the latest version is 2.0Fn, which was pushed out Saturday).
For #3, it certainly looks like a bare report, but most of the time when I see hosts MM records, they'll distill and post the recordbreaker report instead of the plain records. There really isn't much you can do make them more elaborate in Meet Manager I think. Running the report in Team Manager doesn't really look much better either.
If you want me to take a look at your records files to see if there's a problem with them, drop me a line at pakman044@usms.org. Of course, it's also possible someone may be able to answer your questions better than I!
Patrick King
