Women's Locker Room

I typically sandbag with an NT to protest the discrimination against fly-backers that exists. Never any rest between our events, and it sucks. I don't mind swimming with tall fast men in LCM. Sometimes not in SCM either. But this is my heat of the 100 back this weekend, and I am less than thrilled with it: 1 Stevenson, Chris M45 VMST 59.08 2 Britt, Clay M48 ANCM 1:02.00 3 Elshafei, Emad M43 TERR 1:04.84 4 Edson, Edward M28 TERR 1:07.00 5 Elliott, John M39 GERM 1:08.00 6 Jones, Andrew M45 NBAC 1:08.00 7 Kress, Jay M46 FXCM 1:13.00 8 Livingston, Leslie W48 GMUP 1:14.00 Also, of note, there is major female sandabagging going on as the female WR holder in your age group, Ahelee, is seeded at 1:17 when she swam a 1:09 at this meet last year ... So I get drowned by men while she has calm water for another record attempt. Hmm..... I seeded myself at the time I swam at this meet last year. Oh crap--It's an 8 lane pool?

Are very many of you mad at me for entering the Women's Locker Room. I like to keep my eyes on things that go on here...

So if I sign up for an event that I have never swam before, like the 100 IM, with "NT" I'm automatically a sandbagger? I guess I don't fully understand the concept.

So if I sign up for an event that I have never swam before, like the 100 IM, with "NT" I'm automatically a sandbagger? I guess I don't fully understand the concept. NT is bogus also since you have no doubt, at least swum the distance in practice a few times and could estimate a time if you tried hard enough. You will probably swim faster in the meet than the time you pull from practice, but at least it will get you in the ball park. (correct heat) It is perfectly legal to estimate a time. No one is going to ask you for documentation of your entry time. NT simply forces the race administrator to put the swimmer in the first heat with the slowest entered times. Around the SPMA where I swim, that means you get to mix it up with our 80 and 90 year olds. Sandbaggers love that 1st and 2nd heat. Even though our 80 and 90 year olds break world and national records in almost every meet, they just don't create the turbulance found in heats from the younger age-groups. Maybe ask those early heat swimmers how they feel about the waves and getting lapped. This is just masters swimming - not USA - NCAA or the Olympics... doubt we are going to change this practice a whole lot by talking about it here :)

So if I sign up for an event that I have never swam before, like the 100 IM, with "NT" I'm automatically a sandbagger? I guess I don't fully understand the concept. No, you're not. But the NT heat is typically very slow except when sandbaggers NT. If you have an idea of the approximate time you might go, based on practice or other factors, you should probably use that approximate time. Most meet directors discourage the use of NTs, especially at big meets where they want the heats to run quickly.

Now that I'm halfway through the 40's I admit that I'm getting nervous about turning 50. You'll be OK until you're 55. After that - gaah! :cane: :afraid: T-shirt signage that always made me smile: "Hill? What hill? I don't remember any hill!"

And to think that I am worried about turning 30!!

I don't care about swimming with the guys any more than I mind swimming with the girls of various ages. What I do not like is the sandbagging of times by swimmers to very selfishly provide themselves with calm water. THAT practice is what creates havoc with turbulence in all the wrong places during a race. And does not serve the concept of racing to bring out a faster swim. There was some serious sandbagging going on in the 200 free at the Warrenton meet. I didn't swim it, but I was watching and some of the times were like 15 seconds off the seed times. (George, you're not alone)

I typically sandbag with an NT to protest the discrimination against fly-backers that exists. Never any rest between our events, and it sucks. I don't mind swimming with tall fast men in LCM. Sometimes not in SCM either. But this is my heat of the 100 back this weekend, and I am less than thrilled with it: 1 Stevenson, Chris M45 VMST 59.08 2 Britt, Clay M48 ANCM 1:02.00 3 Elshafei, Emad M43 TERR 1:04.84 4 Edson, Edward M28 TERR 1:07.00 5 Elliott, John M39 GERM 1:08.00 6 Jones, Andrew M45 NBAC 1:08.00 7 Kress, Jay M46 FXCM 1:13.00 8 Livingston, Leslie W48 GMUP 1:14.00 Also, of note, there is major female sandabagging going on as the female WR holder in your age group, Ahelee, is seeded at 1:17 when she swam a 1:09 at this meet last year ... So I get drowned by men while she has calm water for another record attempt. Hmm..... I seeded myself at the time I swam at this meet last year. Talk to the meet director.The USMS guideline(not rule) is that the fastest seed in any gender-age group should not be seeded in the outside lanes(although I have never been aware of this actually being done,and as I age I find myself in the outside lanes more often.)

What I do not like is the sandbagging of times by swimmers to very selfishly provide themselves with calm water. THAT practice is what creates havoc with turbulence in all the wrong places during a race. And does not serve the concept of racing to bring out a faster swim. I typically sandbag with an NT to protest the discrimination against fly-backers that exists. Never any rest between our events, and it sucks. I don't mind swimming with tall fast men in LCM. Sometimes not in SCM either. But this is my heat of the 100 back this weekend, and I am less than thrilled with it: 1 Stevenson, Chris M45 VMST 59.08 2 Britt, Clay M48 ANCM 1:02.00 3 Elshafei, Emad M43 TERR 1:04.84 4 Edson, Edward M28 TERR 1:07.00 5 Elliott, John M39 GERM 1:08.00 6 Jones, Andrew M45 NBAC 1:08.00 7 Kress, Jay M46 FXCM 1:13.00 8 Livingston, Leslie W48 GMUP 1:14.00 Also, of note, there is major female sandabagging going on as the female WR holder in your age group, Ahelee, is seeded at 1:17 when she swam a 1:09 at this meet last year ... So I get drowned by men while she has calm water for another record attempt. Hmm..... I seeded myself at the time I swam at this meet last year.