More 200 BR analysis and questions...

congrats on your improvements on paper you should be able to swim your ____ in ____ 100 42.0 46.0 for a 1:28 200 1:30 1:36 for a 3:06 to swim *** faster you need to focus on 1) technique perfect your kick, pull, streamline glide and timing (read wayne's stuff on breastroker, I have a few things on swim faster faster ) 2) speed, do some very fast *** sprints in practice 3) strength (lift weights and get stronger) and 4) conditioning (swimming as much as you can each week) good luck ande 50 BR 39.92 100 BR 45.22 1:33.22 (48.00) 200 BR 45.46 1:37.60 (52.14) 2:32.09 (54.49) 3:28.12 (56.03) Hi All Here are my LCM time from zones. My 50 was a PB. The 100 was first recorded time LCM, and the 200 was 7 secs faster than my last attempt. Obvioulsy tecnique is very important, but looking at my drop off on the 200, what do you think is going on. I was told my stroke looked good on the 200. Is my conditioning bad? Should I practice more broken 2's 3x50 mod 1x AFASP a few times thru etc? I did this for SCY Zones and went from 3:07 in January to a 2:56 by April--not a bad return IMHO. Am I just a sprinter (albeit not that a fast of a sprinter) and will I not have much more joy in reducing my longer swim times? I only get 3x a week in the pool and someone told me swimming 5-6 times would get my times down...I can't devote that much time. Lastly I just bought paddles to find the slipping point in my BR pull and was happy to find only my left hand slipped a little on the insweep and only at a high pace--but not everytime. I'm still working on not "blocking out" in the water by recovering my legs before my arms have shot into streamline. Anyone have drills for this? Peter C said to work on building up speed which I am doing. Just looking for more input and ideas. I know LCM is a hard beast compared to SCY so swimming a PB on the 50 is encouraging. Thanks Rich

The best analysis about the 200 *** is: DON'T DO IT! But if you really feel like you can't stay away from that ghastly event, you definitely need to improve your conditioning by training more. You can't hide behind anything on a 200 ***. You can barely use talent for a 100 ***, especially long course. Do a great deal of race pace work. Your body needs to get adjusted to the splits you want to do.

Maybe get a pull buoy and breath 3,5,7,9 for a 200 free set. Good old lung buster pulls!

great advice Jeff, I think you could swim a very fast 200, especially short course. The single dolphin kick on the underwater pullout makes swimmers stay under a little longer, which means longer breath holding off each wall Swimmers need to be real relaxed and in control on that first 100 so they can swim a strong 2nd 100, I think Hansen split his 200 1:01 1:07 (a 5 or 6 second fade) Shanteau split it 1:02.88 1:07.77 (4.89 diff) Shanteau only went 1:01.50 in the 100 so his 400 IM & 200 IM training really help his 200 ***. I swam the 200 *** once in college I think I went 2:11 split it 1:00 1:11 which is not the way to do it Ande The best analysis about the 200 *** is: DON'T DO IT! But if you really feel like you can't stay away from that ghastly event, you definitely need to improve your conditioning by training more. You can't hide behind anything on a 200 ***. You can barely use talent for a 100 ***, especially long course. Do a great deal of race pace work. Your body needs to get adjusted to the splits you want to do.

Try to whittle down the 10 x 100 interval. When I was working on getting my 10 x 100 interval down I dropped to 6 x 100 on a shorter interval and added the repeats back in as I deemed appropriate.

Try to whittle down the 10 x 100 interval. When I was working on getting my 10 x 100 interval down I dropped to 6 x 100 on a shorter interval and added the repeats back in as I deemed appropriate. I just hacked it down from 2:15...so it's been tough. It paid off on my 100FR time at Zones. I might try the reduce reps thing too.

I think that a point can be reached where somebody needs more than three days a week to make any further improvement but I don't think Stud is there yet I found that my 50 and 100 times remained the same when I went to 6 days/week (from 3-4), but at distances of 200 and up my times improved significantly. Not only will your conditioning improve, but I think you develop a better feel for the water training more days/week.

I found that my 50 and 100 times remained the same when I went to 6 days/week (from 3-4), but at distances of 200 and up my times improved significantly. Not only will your conditioning improve, but I think you develop a better feel for the water training more days/week. Gull, what pool time/yardage are you doing?

Gull, what pool time/yardage are you doing? Currently about an hour to an hour and a quarter, 3500 yards. I would like to get this back up to 4000, where I was in the spring. Our main sets can be pretty intense, depending on who shows up.

congrats on your improvements on paper you should be able to swim your ____ in ____ 100 42.0 46.0 for a 1:28 200 1:30 1:36 for a 3:06 to swim *** faster you need to focus on 1) technique perfect your kick, pull, streamline glide and timing (read wayne's stuff on breastroker, I have a few things on swim faster faster ) 2) speed, do some very fast *** sprints in practice 3) strength (lift weights and get stronger) and 4) conditioning (swimming as much as you can each week) good luck ande Thanks Ande...love that estimator. I guess my 100BR might have been better but I'd just done the PB in 100FR ..I think I had enough time to recover but who knows for sure. I hav Wayne's site. I have to get back into that again now my knee is right.