Dara just one the national title in the 100M Freestyle in 54.4 at the ripe old age of 40. Simply Incredible. :applaud: :woot:
If that's not inspiring I don't know what is.
Wait for what? It's over. All we're waiting for is to determine the length of the ban on the odd chance there might be hypothetical, though implausible, mitigating circumstances that are more than just "I don't even know how to spell clenbuterol" posing. There is no question that she had banned substances in her system WHEN RACING that gave her an edge over her competitors.
This was stupid when you posted it in the other thread, and it's still stupid. You're kidding yourself if you think that the food you buy in a grocery store is less of a "manufactured chemical compound" than something in a supplement bottle.
1 - You're an idiot.
2 - The levels of chemicals found in meats is very low compared to an OTC or "wellness store" supplement. Where are the chemicals in a salad? Eating grocery food store is not akin to taking supplements. I never claimed that foods aren't processed, but supplements are manufactured to administer a higher than normal dose of the desired {chemical, vitamin, protein} to the human as a means to enhance performance.
"Stupid" is jumping in with a sarcastic comment that adds no value to the thread, especially when you either misread, didn't read, or couldn't read my post for what it said.
Keep in mind that her 100 BR has not improved at all over the same period of time in question since her breakout swim in 2005.
Good point about the breastroke. But I guess I was not looking it it as deeply as you (regarding the comparison of Ockham's Razor)... I was looking at the situation more simply like if it looks like a duck, walks like a duck... it must be a duck - or whatever that phrase is. If I've gone off-course... I apologize.
A claim of innocence doesn't mean squat nowadays... especially when it comes to cheating in athletics.
Anyways, I'm sure everyone is on the edge of their seat wondering what the heck is going to happen here considering the opening ceremonies are 8 days away.
1 - You're an idiot.
2 - The levels of chemicals found in meats is very low compared to an OTC or "wellness store" supplement. Where are the chemicals in a salad? Eating grocery food store is not akin to taking supplements. I never claimed that foods aren't processed, but supplements are manufactured to administer a higher than normal dose of the desired {chemical, vitamin, protein} to the human as a means to enhance performance.
"Stupid" is jumping in with a sarcastic comment that adds no value to the thread, especially when you either misread, didn't read, or couldn't read my post for what it said.
If I'm an idiot, then how come you're the one who is getting involved in a long argument about chemicals without knowing the meaning of the word "chemical." There are not "more chemicals" in supplements than in food, because both are entirely composed of chemicals.
I am not supporting her I am pointing out the fact that most people in her shoes would have done what she did. She was stupid and should have known better. She should have had better judgement and a better Lawyer.Hard to understand any of the side shows people are bringing up here. She took a banned substance and got caught. It's really that simple.
If I'm an idiot, then how come you're the one who is getting involved in a long argument about chemicals without knowing the meaning of the word "chemical." There are not "more chemicals" in supplements than in food, because both are entirely composed of chemicals.
I give up. I suppose at the most technical level, yes everything on earth is made up entirely of chemical elements. You missed the point. Not surprising considering your obvious goal in any post you submit is to be combative, demeaning, or sarcastic.
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There IS a higher concentration of SPECIFIC chemicals when one takes a supplement than there would be in grocery store food. I'm not writing a research paper, but I'll be sure in the future to write my posts as if I'm pursuing a Ph.D. Get a life.
You remind me of the great Creston. Your predictions could come true.
If you do not know who Creston is he is a famous Canadian mind reader.
I am so proud to know you masterminds knowing the results before it comes to an end.
I am not going to be disappointed no matter what happens I will wait until the full outcome.
Um, George, the results were known weeks ago. The only outcome now is the length of the suspension. You can't even get your own story straight. Do you understand how this works?
Jazzy - you are a bit out there today.
Thank you.
There IS a higher concentration of SPECIFIC chemicals when one takes a supplement than there would be in grocery store food. I'm not writing a research paper, but I'll be sure in the future to write my posts as if I'm pursuing a Ph.D. Get a life.
Specific chemicals? Well, milk is very high in water, which is a specific chemical. Being well-hydrated is essential for athletic performance. If your normal diet is low in water, you may want to supplement with milk. Milk is also high in branched chain amino acids. That means that if you supplement with milk, you are likely to have improved muscle recovery as a result.
So is milk is a naturally healthy food or a chemical supplement? It is high in the specific chemicals water, leucine, isoleucine, and valine. It could artificially enhance recovery ability, allowing people to train dangerously hard if they had not previously been drinking milk as part of their normal diet.
Yes, this was exactly the aspect that I was thinking about, that it is possible for someone other than the athlete to screw up, and while medals or spots on the team may have to be forfeited the athlete isn't necessarily worthy of extreme moral condemnation or, as some have suggested, jail time. In one of these threads George brought up the case of a Canadian rower who took a cold medication that the team doctor said was ok, but turned out not to be. She and her teammates lost their medals, which I support, but she was not banned from competition, which I also support. Some posters are unwilling to draw any distinction based on the circumstances when making moral judgements, that runs counter to my personal sense of justice.
Are you suggesting that Jessica's situation could be viewed in a similar vein as Rick DeMont's case..... i.e. with less "moral" judgement?
I see some very fundamental differences not the least of which is she was caught for taking a veterinary drug, illegal for humans in the US, unknown to anyone around her on the team, at dosages in her system that were significantly above normal. Rick took a common and lawfully dispensed medication, known to everyone around him at level safely prescribed by his physician.
John Smith
