Dara Torres-Amazing

There ain't a shred of evidence out there at all....end of story.....:dedhorse:

Does anyone have proof-positive on this? Did anyone else notice that Dara's partner was MIA for all but the beginning of Trials? They showed him the first night in the stands with Tessa and the rest of the Torres' - and he wasn't to be seen again. Maybe he was elsewhere in the stands or had to go back to work... The NYT article on Dara had a quote from him gave me the impression that he was sick and tired of this training thing, since all Dara's time was focused on that and nothing on him. She calls him her "partner" and not "boyfriend." She wanted to start her family w/o committing to him (aka marriage). I wonder if that relationship is on the rocks.

I agree there is a difference. Below is a blatant accusation. White Buffalo Participating Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Posts: 22 Re: Torres out of 100 Data and Comparative data never lie. To equate what Torres is doing to a male would be for the 40-44 year old Master's WR holder (53.5) in the 100 freestyle, Rich Saeger, (1984 Olympian and Gold medalist) to swim a 49+ 100 meter freestyle. I believe he would confirm-no way. Her first three Olympics she swam relays. She swam individual events in 2000, took 6 years off, had a child, and 2 surgeries in the past 10 months but is the fastest American women ever- you believers are simply "off the reservation" as it is performance enhanced.

It is a total fallacy to compare her achievements to impressive performances by USMS swimmers. It is not even remotely close. If that is the basis of your belief in her achievements, you are starting from the wrong point. I have never seen a single elite USMS swimmer on this forum (and they are well represented with the Smiths, Fort, Chris S, Jeff C, etc) claim they could come close to their lifetime bests from their 20s.

Equating the mistakes a few people made as being universal, that's just foolish. Guess I'm tired of being played the fool by athletes. There are just too many odd side show stories for me to take it at face value. That doesn't make me a fool or you a fool, but it does mean Stud is a fool.

No, the reality is she won, and conventional wisdom proves she is clean! Yes, but we're attempting to set aside convention and have a theoretical discussion.

There ain't a shred of evidence out there at all....end of story.....:dedhorse: Ask M. Jones where her story ended, or Barry Bonds. Nothing wrong with a critical eye towards unprecedented accomplishments, especially in a day and age where almost every single super human sporting achievement of the last decade has been proven a lie. I recall last summer on this forum as holding out Roger Clemens as a pillar of responsibility and hard work at an older age for sports. Fool me once, shame on you, fool me twice, shame on me.

Landis is a druggie proof positive, Clemens is pure not proof positive. Questioning things is OK but this rip Dara apart is going too far. Being a realist is not necessarily associated with being unhappy or sad or bitter! What's wrong with questioning things? Who wants to blithely or blindly accept what others say without independent analysis? No reason to put the brain in storage! And there's really not "proof positive" for virtually anything in life. If you're waiting around for that, you'll be waiting a long time. Of course, George still thinks Clemens and Landis are clean ...

Never said there was anything wrong with questioning things...but after a while when there is absolutely no evidence to support the accusations....call them what you like, that is what they are....you sooner or later have to realize that the "impossible" is actually "possible". It happens every year, people get faster, equipment gets better and knowledge expands in the areas of fitness and training....people are breaking barriers and records all the time. This just happens to be by a 41 year old woman with a pretty remarkable career already: WR at 15 then again at 16 and 17....probably would have had a Gold Medal at the 1984 Olympics in the 50 except for one big problem...it wasn't in the Olympics until 1988. Women's swimming Gold Los Angeles 1984 4x100 m freestyle relay Gold Barcelona 1992 4x100 m freestyle relay Gold Sydney 2000 4x100 m freestyle relay Gold Sydney 2000 4x100 m medley relay Silver Seoul 1988 4x100 m medley relay Bronze Seoul 1988 4x100 m freestyle relay Bronze Sydney 2000 50 m freestyle Bronze Sydney 2000 100 m freestyle Bronze Sydney 2000 100 m butterfly Has held the AR several times as well Pretty remarkable career by any standard if you ask me! Why is it such a stretch for her to do this? Oh yeah....cause it's never been done before..... Nobody had ever won 7 Golds - Spitz did it...will Phelps break that, possibly....uh oh he must be cheating!!!! I'll ask this question again: Just what else can she possibly do to prove herself? Anyone?

I did not know there was any link between Balco and Dara. There isn't. Reread my post. The author of the article wrote: "Dara's performances in Omaha have been greeted in some accounts with extreme suspicion. This is the understandable, if regrettable, import of the BALCO scandal and the Mitchell Report, of Marion Jones and Floyd Landis and of far too many others in recent years. Which I totally get." Maybe you've had too many margaritas today, George.