Dara Torres-Amazing

Interesting article: "Dara Torres, Demystified" by Amanda Schaffer at Slate. This article does a great job of explaining the amino acid thing, and how dumb it is.

Give me a break, now we are gonna nuance two proven dopers. They are elite calibre with multiple medals. I'll take Janet Evans' opinion any day on this. Nuance what? According to the reports Kicker won his lawsuit against the supplement company for having garbage in their product that wasn't listed. That's why I asked the question...Has he tested POS since? Here is what he said in an interview: 12 Why did you decide to sue the supplement manufacturer, and what was the result? Kicker: The only reason we sued the company was because when I sent the four things I was consuming at the time of my positive test to an independent lab, their results showed the multivitamin was contaminated with three different steroid precursors and at that point, in talking with my lawyer, we thought that was definite grounds to pursue a lawsuit, which we did. After almost fours weeks in court, and two and a half years later, I have some vindication finally, and some good positive press about me. A jury of 12 people found that that company was liable and negligent, and the reason why I had a positive test result was because I consumed the vitamin, and it had the steroid precursors in there that they manufactured.

I guess the other thing to do here is say what one's opinion is of doping in swimming..... My opinion is...get caught knowingly using illegal substances....Lifetime Ban....no exemptions. The USOC, USS, Fina and all of the organizations that deal with this need to put their foot down and stomp these morons for cheating. Set the example and stick to it.

Um, first off, what difference does it make how good they are? Second, yes they are/were all notable elite swimmers. Massi Rosolino has gold, silver and bronze medals. Smith was a triple gold medalist. Um, because the comparisons here are against "top" swimmers! And doing a little research there is more than meets the eye in some of these.

Iwannafly, "With the exception of the recent Chinese swimmer and the East Germans back in the day, I haven't heard of a single swimmer getting busted for drugs." Note..... Michelle Smith was the irish woman who spiked her urine sample to evade the drug test. Kicker Vencil was caught several years ago. Rebecca Gusmao from Brazil was nailed for the use of illegal PEDs. Massi Rosolini from Italy was caught for growth hormone. The list goes on...... I'll be honest...haven't heard these names before.....Any of them at the top of the sport? Funny, I really don't remember Michelle from the '96 games, but she did very well. Kicker won a lawsuit against the supplement company back in '95....has he tested pos again since then?

The article hardly demystified Dara. It raises doubt, a natural thing to do, but it provides no answers. It adds to the mystery....

Iwannafly, "With the exception of the recent Chinese swimmer and the East Germans back in the day, I haven't heard of a single swimmer getting busted for drugs." Note..... Michelle Smith was the irish woman who spiked her urine sample to evade the drug test. Kicker Vencil was caught several years ago. Rebecca Gusmao from Brazil was nailed for the use of illegal PEDs. Massi Rosolini from Italy was caught for growth hormone. The list goes on......

I lived in LA a few years ago. I used to love to go th the shopping mall. I saw more beautiful ladies with bare mid drifts, their abs that made Darra's abs look flabby. You must live in Philadelphia. Where the fat lady sings. It is plain to see you had never seen my wife Chuckie in a Bikini when she was 41 after having 6 kids. I saw a picture of Dara in the New York Times dated July 29, 2008. What bothers me is her abs. Has anybody seen a 41 year old MAN with that kind of definition? I've worked out with a number of professional female athletes under 30 that do not have that kind of definition. Believe me, they also do 90 minutes of core work a day. Can somebody find me a pic of a woman over 35 who has had a baby in the last 2.5 years that has abs like that? Can somebody find me a pic of a woman over 35 who has not had a baby that has abs like that? Something does not seem right.

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I have seen numerous attacks/accusations. Sorry, but those are not a realistic part of any discussion. Sorry, that's not for you to decide. While I don't agree with tjburk, I do enjoy the banter and am learning. You can't stifle that but thanks again for telling us how to behave.