Dara Torres-Amazing

I am in favor of the do what you want theory. Use anything you want to get faster. and better. But do we get faster and better? I am now at an age when it does not matter to me. I knew others took drugs when I was racing. It made me mad. But I did my best, basically clean I used massive does of caffein at times did it work???.

Dara has been questioned about it, and her response was to accept random testing. I'm not sure what else you want from her. Perhaps we need to start questioning some USMS swimmers who are dominating their age groups and breaking their own records routinely.

I am in favor of the do what you want theory. Use anything you want to get faster. I am now at an age when it does not matter to me. I knew others took drugs when I was racing. It made me mad. But I did my best basically clean.

Do you have any proof other than a couple of pictures that prove Dara is other than a beautiful well conditioned athlete. Is she doing anything illegal? I guess the whole discussion is not valid.

Chris Stevenson, Comparing Susan with Dara is not that good of a comparison. Note, Susan made her Olympic teams in individual events not just relays. Susan is very naturally strong and talented, but she has not transformed her body as dramatically as Dara. Susan is respectably close to her career best times in the 100 ***, but is not going to top 8 let alone win ..... let alone set an Amercian Record in the event. Susan appears to be the first real masters swimmer (with a masters swimmers lifestyle and attitude) to be able to qualify and race at the trials. Susan is doing something phenomenal. Frankly, I am more interested in Susan's performance at the trials than's Dara's performance. I find Susan's swims stunning given her routine and daily demands....... despite the fact that she DQ'd my son at the last meet in Loveland, CO !!!! Dara's phyique and accomplishments look totally different to me. I would not compare the two as one supporting the other. John Smith

So how does that work? I always assumed steroids didn't really do much good unless you were working out while using. I don't know the science of it Kirk, but somehow it helps burn fat. I remember a friend on 'roids for asthma who was extremely defined, which I am told was a side effect.

HGH If a small person that used HGH to get themselves to be within the average size zone be considered a druggie in your opinion. I happen to know a family that was what we called little people that had the injections.

No, that's not true. I just checked our LMSC records in the 200 back Men 25-29 200 Back 1:53.60 Chris Stevenson 1/1/94 Men 30-34 200 Back 1:54.10 Chris Stevenson 5/21/95 Men 35-39 200 Back 1:55.48 Chris Stevenson 4/1/00 Men 40-44 200 Back 1:53.99 Chris Stevenson 3/9/07 The 25-29 record was done unrested when I was 29, soon after I moved to Virginia -- I'm sure I went faster at some point in the 25-29 age group in another LMSC, but I don't recall ever breaking 1:52 (and definitely not 1:51). I train a harder and smarter now, and more specifically for swimming; I did much more aerobic cross-training back then and no weight lifting, but I still got in the water pretty regularly. Hmmm. Come to think of it, that line of bull about better training sounds just like Dara Torres. I'll be sending you a sample in the mail shortly...don't drink it, tutu boy...:drink: Face it: 40 is the new 20! What does LMSC stand for? 200 back? that must be yards... ??

...Aren't we forgetting here that she was pregnant recently? Should we test her baby for roids? :rolleyes: Back in the 80s when I was a running fanatic, there was an article in a running magazine about top level female runners, including Ingrid Christenson (at that time a record holder in the marathon) who did their best times within 2 years of having a baby. No-one was quite sure why, but there were several theories, including one about the effect of pregnancy hormones on flexibility.The effect didn't seem to last much more than two years.

Occasionally we are even forced to import our pills from the UK. I didn't say that everyone approved of that way, or that it was any better there. Americana as an export has done phenomenally well in the UK.