Dara Torres-Amazing

TJ Burke: No disrespect intended. But what does "belief" have to do with anything? I've always thought news polls that survey beliefs were worthless. What is the point in polling the public as to whether they believe O.J. was guilty of murder? People's beliefs have nothing to do with the facts of his guilt or innocence. The only thing that matters are the facts. Are any of us in the position to know the facts about any athlete's performance (except or own)? No. Can we have feelings/questions one way or another without claiming to know? Yes. More power to Dara. I hope she's 100% clean and that she makes the Olympic team. But that doesn't mean I don't wonder if sports at that level for any athlete is truly clean. In a court of law, the beliefs of the jury and/or the judge have a fair amount to do with one's guilt or innocence. IMHO anyhow.

Let me help you stay on track in the conversation.Thank you for helping me stay on track in the conversation. I was starting to believe this conversation was about totally unfounded accusations (excuse me speculation) based entirely on a few photos and the phenomenal accomplishments of an amazing athlete; being made by a few individuals who likely achieved great collegiate and masters success through their own use of performance enhancing drugs and they can’t believe that others can achieve greatness without also cheating. I stand corrected.

TJ Burke: No disrespect intended. But what does "belief" have to do with anything? I've always thought news polls that survey beliefs were worthless. What is the point in polling the public as to whether they believe O.J. was guilty of murder? People's beliefs have nothing to do with the facts of his guilt or innocence. The only thing that matters are the facts. Are any of us in the position to know the facts about any athlete's performance (except or own)? No. Can we have feelings/questions one way or another without claiming to know? Yes. More power to Dara. I hope she's 100% clean and that she makes the Olympic team. But that doesn't mean I don't wonder if sports at that level for any athlete is truly clean. Do you live in the same world as the rest of us???? Belief has everything to do with how you view life, people, relationships....everything!! Your belief system is who you are!!! You even quote it by saying: "Can we have feelings/questions one way or another without claiming to know? Yes" These are beliefs....if not, what are they?

OK settle down Judge Judy...:lmao: YEEEESSSSIIIIRRR! Must be beyond the legal limit of caffeine. :) George, stop being silly.

Me too. George, that's just nonsense. Just about as much as your stand on this subject. I want proof not what everyone thinks - that may not be true.

She just looks very lean and fit in the youtube video. (Although I must say it's a load of BS that's she says she's doing all this for her kid.) It's a sure sign of the apocalypse when I agree with both Fort and the Smiths on the same thread. Anytime I heard "do it for the kids" or "it's not about the money" I am instantly skeptical, at the very least. I do not understand the backlash against those who see some murkiness potentially in this. First, it's never ever been done before in any major sport (don't go quoting some obscure marathoner or a doped up weight lifter as proof). Second, virtually every single example of such accomplishment in the last 20 years has been drug fueled (I can only hold up Lance Armstrong as a contrary example and it's not like he has been immune from speculation). Third, she has twice left the sport and has some peripheral (at the very least) association with some dubious characters. If folks expect us to set aside the parade of athletes who have tested positive or continuously denied taking the juice just because we are swimmers and like DT, well, that is just plain naive. Swimming is certainly no stranger to drug abuse and might even claim a partial title as one of the dirtiest sports around, for a period of time anyway, hopefully not now.

He has not been charged, therefore he can neither be guilty nor not guilty. As with most recent doping matters, he will probably be examined for failure to tell the truth to either Congress or another such Federal agency. You will note that your boy McNamee is not being investigated further by our Congress. That should tell you something. There is no such thing as "not guilty so far." Guilt is not a sliding scale, you either are or aren't. What a big mistake picking on the athlete and not the guy who repeatedly commited crimes on numerous people..

For sure Gobears you are not in that position and no one is. What you are saying is all are guilty regardless of the truth. Everyone who is fast must be guilty because they are fast. Everyone who is fast over 40 is guilty - Why because they have a top 10 time. Is Ande guilty? I don't think so but he is fast he must be guilty.

Yes, and the legal argument is "Defamation of Character." Sheesh. This is simply not accurate in this case. Expressing skepticism is not a false statement for defamation purposes. It's just an opinion. Moreover, Dara is a public figure. For her to sue for defamation, she would have to prove by clear and convincing evidence that a forum poster made false statements with actual malice. Very tough standard. None of that has occurred here. Get your law right. :shakeshead:

I did notice today congress is checking to see if Clemens told the truth. Not guilty so far.