Dara Torres-Amazing

Trust me, no one has missed this point. Actually, I overlooked that comment because I thought he was joking. No way George, that won't solve this issue.

I guess I'm existential enough not to be horrifically bothered with lack of complete certainty. I plan on enjoying the Trials and Olympics. I will admit that I didn't watch nearly as much of the Tour de France this year though. Enjoy them all, even the Tour De France. Forget about who uses drugs and who does not. We have watched drug users in the past and we have thought how great they are then found out some had crossed the line. There are probably many more who have crossed the line and it has never been mentioned. So enjoy what you see today and if proof positive proves they were druggies so what? They may have won there races because their drug supplier had better stuff.

I don't think Dara is muscular. In light of John Smith's recently posted photo of Dara I wanted to quote rtodd's earlier post for posterity!

You also missed my point of view. Let everyone use HGH and steroids then we will have an even playing field.

It's not sad that you are in that camp, rather, it's sad that sports in general are in such a state of affairs as to lead you into that camp in the first place.

Sorry about the mis-spell, geek, I blame it all on forum short-hand. I also married a Duke alum, which acts in insidious ways. Fortunately I've brainwashed -- er, taught -- our son to root for the proper team. You continue to upset me - we all know it's dook. Good job on your kids, mine root for the Iraqi insurgents before they will root for the dookies. Foreign swimmgers - ka ching, Smith cashing in on all his pet peeves in one single thread.

My goal..... is to have guns like these for masters nationals in May. I'll need them to take down the Sasquatch Evil Smith. John Smith Given the fact that you just swam in one of your kids meets (I like that it was a very successful emabarassment to them) and went 21.8, 47.7 unrested and at altitude makes you the odds on "favorite" my friend....but the reality is you won't have me next to you to run you over the last 5 yards in the 100 on Sunday! Besides...as Ramen Noodles pointed out earlier I'll just assume your current and impending success comes from the chemistry you've carried on with since your age group swim days...and Eddie is certainly known as a coach to "push the limits" with his "diet" experimintation (and recruiting of foreign swimmers)...so your guilty my jackrabbit evil (unrelated) twin!

Chris, You missed a group.... -- Those who presume DT clean and haven't been convinced otherwise. -- Those who think that such performances are near-impossible for a 40-year-old without PEDs -- Those who view almost all extraordinary athletic performances with suspicion because of the prevalence of PEDs in modern athletics. -- and Those who view some extraordinary athletic performances with suspicion given empirical and historical evidence as compared to peers as potentially indicative of using PEDs. John Smith

The best overall basketball may very well be the ACC. "May very well be?" Puh-leeze! A few down years, but we have to look at long-term trends here. (I always get a good laugh over the Big Ten-ACC "challenge." Not the word I would use to describe the annual B10 stomping that occurs.) Sorry about the mis-spell, geek, I blame it all on forum short-hand. I also married a Duke alum, which acts in insidious ways. Fortunately I've brainwashed -- er, taught -- our son to root for the proper team.

Heaven help us! You mean you have more that we haven't heard already. No need to get paranoid. I was just suggesting we afford others a certain level of respect and realise that Freedom of speech also entails a certain level of responsibility and is not just a case of slathering your opinions all over the internet. Syd with all due respect the discussion that is taking place here in my opinion has been very responsible. As I chided George I will also challenge you and anyone else here that seems to think that just because some of us have our doubts...and have detailed the specifics of why...are somehow "anti-Dara" or "making accusations" or in the worst case being libelous. Rather than post such vague statements about how sharing ones opinons or beliefs is somehow on the edge of doing damage....quote the person you think is close or has crossed a line and call them out. I'll continue to go through my life with a touch of skepticism for anything that seems out of the realm of reality/possiblity...I don't see myself as a negative person for doing so and in the case of Dara was one of the first to say how incredible her swims were....same with Marion, same with Landis, same with Johnson, same with Bonds, etc. etc. etc. Anyone that wants to be a "cool-aid" drinker and assume that everything in the world is as it seems and all are good that is your choice...but I take offense when as Fort and Bear pointed out my thoughts, opinions and beliefs are threataned by BS threats of lawsuits and possibl damaging someones "legend".