I have been reading and watching posts and replies, on the General forum, as well as Coaching forum, that seem to dismiss the importance of having developed triceps. I may be wrong, but what I surmised is that even though having a longer stroke is of great importance (and I am an advocate of a longer sroke depending upon the distance and actual stroke being swum), that many people including Kaizen making statements that a long stroke is better, there is much conclusion that "finishing" the stroke lower on the leg has several problems: 1) it takes tricep strength so avoid it and 2) finishing shorter and closer to the waist area is the way to go.
Now granted, a 50 free sprint probably needs a lesser SPL than a 200 or 400, but my concern in this topic is that there may be a message to other swimmers that finishing later on the body requires more strength in the back of the arm (triceps) so avoid it. My Word: Wrong!!
Every great, great swimmer I have ever seen has the arms of Hercules, both in biceps, shoulders and triceps. And even at my older age and a fatter body, the one remaining muscle group that is ripped is the triceps on my arms because they have been trained over years and carry me through even now. Having these great muscles developed continues to aid in my powerfully finishing my stroke and setting up for the next one. Triceps DO provide propulsion in the stroke finish/recovery portion of the stroke, so making sure they are developed, as well as other components of your body, is extremely important. Just one swimmer's point of view....and open for discussion.....
donna
You don't have to be stronger than men to do good push ups.
Again, that' not what I said. :help:
Yeah, statements like these -- "the pushup is a very challenging exercise for women" -- are just dumb and perpetuate stereotypes. I wouldn't want my daughters to read that. Oh, wait, my daughter's best subject is math and she can do loads of push ups ...
I watched some teen boys doing drylands the other day at he end of my 9 year old's practice -- pathetic!
That is a very emotional non-rational response. Also you are trying to counter a scientific fact (% of muscle mass) with anecdotal stories. That is a no-no.
As to math, the fact is that there are very few women studying advanced math in higher education. Interesting because that is not the case in advanced high school math. That is an indisputable fact. You can explain it in various ways but the fact stands.
Here's my generalization (without regard to a person's gender, age, creed, religion, political affiliation, sexual preference, favorite color, etc.): ability to do pushups has close to zero correlation with ability to swim fast.
As I mentioned, the entire idea of transferability of dry land strength to water is an open question.
The Army expects men to be able to do more push-ups than women--
* Men's 37 to 41 standards
* Women's 37 to 41 standards
To get max points (100), a guy has to do 73, while a woman only has to do 40. I think both those are increases from when I was in, I think it was closer to 60, and I was a bit younger then. Sit-ups are much more closely aligned.
Well, obviously the army has got it wrong (chick logic:bump:)
You don't have to be stronger than men to do good push ups.
Again, that' not what I said. :help:
Yeah, statements like these -- "the pushup is a very challenging exercise for women" -- are just dumb and perpetuate stereotypes. I wouldn't want my daughters to read that. Oh, wait, my daughter's best subject is math and she can do loads of push ups ...
I watched some teen boys doing drylands the other day at he end of my 9 year old's practice -- pathetic!
That is a very emotional non-rational response. Also you are trying to counter a scientific fact (% of muscle mass) with anecdotal stories. That is a no-no.
As to math, the fact is that there are very few women studying advanced math in higher education. Interesting because that is not the case in advanced high school math. That is an indisputable fact. You can explain it in various ways but the fact stands.
Here's my generalization (without regard to a person's gender, age, creed, religion, political affiliation, sexual preference, favorite color, etc.): ability to do pushups has close to zero correlation with ability to swim fast.
As I mentioned, the entire idea of transferability of dry land strength to water is an open question.
The Army expects men to be able to do more push-ups than women--
* Men's 37 to 41 standards
* Women's 37 to 41 standards
To get max points (100), a guy has to do 73, while a woman only has to do 40. I think both those are increases from when I was in, I think it was closer to 60, and I was a bit younger then. Sit-ups are much more closely aligned.
Well, obviously the army has got it wrong (chick logic:bump:)
