Attaboy or attagirl: SR NH everyone welcome

Yay FAF Twin! 4 weeks back is awesome. :groovy: I'm glad to know you're still faithfully doing all those super boring RC exercises. Me too. Need to do them today... Be sure to report back on your meet! What events are you swimming? How cool that you get to swim with your daughter. That is pretty neat! I can't beat my daughter in breaststroke either. It's quite a mystery how us non-breaststroke sprinters produced breaststrokers ... That workout looked tough! I'm not fond of timed 400s. So attagirl!!!:banana: I'm back in the water after a week off for a eye infection. Came back easy. Finally went to a team practice last night for the first time in awhile. Did a rocking main sprint set last night that you would have liked: 4 x (8 x 50, 2 of each stroke) First round: 2 fast fly, rest perfect technique Second round: 2 fast back, rest perfect technique Third round: 2 fast ***, rest perfect technique Fourth round: 2 fast free, rest perfect technique Between each round, a 100 free for time and then a 50 EZ. I'm still a little paranoid and swimming with fins b/c of the broken down wore out left shoulder, but I did a :56 on one of the 100 frees push off and basically made it through the workout -- even though my legs were really, really sore from going to a spinning class. Yes, I tried it! It was fun. Going to lift weights today to keep the shoulder together. Going in for my first prolo session on Monday. I don't like shots all that much, but I'm hopeful it will help. Keep at it! Let us know how the meet goes! Love, your twin That's my kind of workout! You're right. I would have loved that set. I might have to steal that one. :notworthy: You and Ande have motivated me to try the spin class. I hope to do it next week... (early in the week since I'm swimming a meet next weekend!) I'll let you know. What is prolotherapy? I've never heard of it. :56 on your 100!!! YOU GO GIRL!:banana: :notworthy:

That's my kind of workout! You're right. I would have loved that set. I might have to steal that one. :notworthy: You and Ande have motivated me to try the spin class. I hope to do it next week... (early in the week since I'm swimming a meet next weekend!) I'll let you know. What is prolotherapy? I've never heard of it. :56 on your 100!!! YOU GO GIRL!:banana: :notworthy: Thanks. I did 1:01 on my 100 back too and a 1:00 the other day. Pretty happy. It was a great set. Julie (see above) pushed me along even though she is not a big fin cheater like me. I probably won't describe it very well, but prolotherapy is a non-surgical option for treating deterioration or micro-tears in the tendons and cartilege. You get injected with sugar, pain meds and other stuff into the affected area. (The doc needs an arthrogram to see where to make the injections, which is why I got one.) The injection causes an inflammatory effect, which is supposed to create a cascade of healing and begin depositing new collagen on the effected or wored out old area. You can't take any anti-inflammatories while getting the treatment. You need a series of 4-6 sets of injections between 2-4 weeks apart. Then, you wait. It takes about 6 months to get the full results. But it essentially regrows damaged or dessicated cartilege. Apparently, people like me are prime candidates for prolotherapy. A lot of elite athletes use it because PT often doesn't work for them (PT is better for beginners or post-surgical conditions or folks with muscle imbalances or tendonitis). Since I do PT homecare and my condition isn't surgical, this is about my only option to escape the shoulder pain. So I'm gonna give it a whirl. I know a couple other people that have done it with good results. So we'll see. It will also help prevent early arthritis, which apparently people like us with worn out shoulder issues are prone too. :eek: So I am declaring war on my "abnormal labrum." We'll see who's the winner. I'm not sure it knows how stubborn I am. :wiggle: No swimming today or maybe just a bit of easy swimming later tonight. I'm like you. Every other day seems to work best. Or if I go back to back, one has got to be easy. Hey, I'm doing a meet on March 25. So we can compare notes. Compare shoulders too. Good luck. Attagirl! :applaud: Have a great weekend with all your fab plans! ;) Bill: There are a couple threads you could look at about yardage. I think they're called "How much volume?" "How much endurance training?" "Is 1500-2000 yards enough volume?" (last one started by RTodd). Something like that. At least that's where the topic of yardage has been recently discussed. Some discussion in the "muscular endurance" thread too, I think.

I am confused. I'm new to Masters swimming and am slow (1:32 is my 100m Free). I don't even really know the other strokes (I do *** and Back but no recognizably and haven't even attempted Fly). I swim 2500-3200m 3 times a week; swam 1.2 miles OW last spring, and have 1500m OW coming in May. Never swam a pool meet. What constitutes a lot of meters? Morgan was talking (in another thread) of swimming my monthly mileage in a week. My workout yesterday was: 3x200m S/P/K EZ 15 x 100M on 2:15 8 x 50m Kick on 1:00 3 x 200 K/P/S EZ 3100M and I thought that was easy. Is my coach leading my astray or for me to swim 1500m - 1.2miles I need this?:dunno: Slowswim, It all depends on your goals as to what is enough yardage. I'm a sprinter and don't compete in any event over 200 yards. My specialty is the 50 and the 100. My motto is quality not quantity. The yardage doesn't matter as much as the intensity of your workout. We usually do a long warm-up (about 1000 yds) followed by an intense set of about 1500-2000 yards, and then a swim down (about 200-400 yds) That's what works for me. If I do more than that, I tend to hurt my shoulders. Everybody is different though and you have to experiment and find what works for you.

Those are some pretty good times, even with fins. Today's workout included 4 sets of 200 kick/drill, timed 100 from a push, easy 100. Went 1:06-1:08-1:08-1:05, no fins. The last one hurt! I'm a comfort swimmer, don't like hurt. Thanks. I did 1:01 on my 100 back too and a 1:00 the other day. Pretty happy. It was a great set. Julie (see above) pushed me along even thought she was not a big fin cheater like me. I probably won't describe it very well, but prolotherapy is a non-surgical option for treating deterioration or micro-tears in the tendons and cartilege. You get injected with sugar, pain meds and other stuff into the affected area. The injection causes an inflammatory effect, which is supposed to create a cascade of healing and begin depositing new collagen on the effected or wored out old area. You can't take any anti-inflammatories while getting the treatment. You need a series of 4-6 sets of injections between 2-4 weeks apart. Then, you wait. It takes about 6 months to get the full results. But it essentially regrows damaged or dessicated cartilege. Apparently, people like me are prime candidates for prolotherapy. A lot of elite athletes use it because PT often doesn't work for them (PT is better for beginners or post-surgical conditions or folks with muscle imbalances or tendonitis). Since I do PT homecare and my condition isn't surgical, this is about my only option to escape the shoulder pain. So I'm gonna give it a whirl. I know a couple other people that have done it with good results. So we'll see. It will also help prevent early arthritis, which apparently people like us with worn out shoulder issues are prone too. :eek: So I am declaring war on my "abnormal labrum." We'll see who's the winner. I'm not sure it knows how stubborn I am. :wiggle: No swimming today or maybe just a bit of easy swimming later tonight. I'm like you. Every other day seems to work best. Or if I go back to back, one has got to be easy. Hey, I'm doing a meet on March 25. So we can compare notes. Compare shoulders too. Good luck. Attagirl! :applaud: Have a great weekend with all your fab plans! ;)

Beth, Congratulations on 4 straight weeks back in the water! Going every other day is great! I hope you have lots of fun with your daughter at the meet this weekend. I got to compete with my mom at some meets in 97-99 before my husband and I moved to IL. We even all went to LCNats together in 98. It was a BLAST!!! The most fun I've ever had at a swim meet. My mom hadn't swam since 1965 or 66, I think. I was soooo proud of my her! My parents are retiring out here from the east coast later this year. Can't wait to swim some relays with my mom again!!! Carrie

Beth- such a wonderful outcome to a tumultuous period. You're both shing examples of persevering as a mandate to success. Way to go, both of you! Leslie- you are one tough bugger (used affectionately) aren't you? Please be careful not to make your injury(ies) worse though, we don't want the ogre rampaging and pillaging again, do we? I am one tough bugger! :banana: I'm trying to be careful. I'm staying away from too much free and fly (:( ) and using those cheater fins to take some pressure off the shoulder. Just kicking tonight. I'm sure there will some recurrence of ogre-ing. I'll make sure to take it out on you! :lolup: Dana: Way to go! I got one of those non-swimmer hubbies too. Non-swimmers just don't really get it. Although he could have said "attagirl." But you did fabulous!! I'd love to do a sprint pentathlon. Betcha do even better at Federal Way! Maybe I'll meet you at Colonies Zones. I'll be staggering in with my shoulder in a wheel barrow just to piss off Cruise and duel my secret nemesis.

I'm excited and very proud of my accomplishment today! After being out of the water for 2 and a half months due to shoulder/neck/back problems, my daughter's surgery and my mom's fall, I've been back in the water for 4 weeks now!! I go every other day....not ready to push my luck going every day yet! Today I actually did 3500yards! That's the most I've done since November!:banana: I'm exhausted but satisfied! We did a tough set... 100 fast for time on 1:30 100 easy on 3:00 200 fast for time on 3:00 200 easy on 4:30 300 fast for time on 4:30 300 easy on 6:00 400 fast for time on 6:00 400 easy We got lots of rest but that last 400 was tough for me....I'm a sprinter and I'm out of shape! I'm working on it though! I am confused. I'm new to Masters swimming and am slow (1:32 is my 100m Free). I don't even really know the other strokes (I do *** and Back but no recognizably and haven't even attempted Fly). I swim 2500-3200m 3 times a week; swam 1.2 miles OW last spring, and have 1500m OW coming in May. Never swam a pool meet. What constitutes a lot of meters? Morgan was talking (in another thread) of swimming my monthly mileage in a week. My workout yesterday was: 3x200m S/P/K EZ 15 x 100M on 2:15 8 x 50m Kick on 1:00 3 x 200 K/P/S EZ 3100M and I thought that was easy. Is my coach leading my astray or for me to swim 1500m - 1.2miles I need this?:dunno:

Slowswim, It all depends on your goals as to what is enough yardage. I'm a sprinter and don't compete in any event over 200 yards. My specialty is the 50 and the 100. My motto is quality not quantity. The yardage doesn't matter as much as the intensity of your workout. We usually do a long warm-up (about 1000 yds) followed by an intense set of about 1500-2000 yards, and then a swim down (about 200-400 yds) That's what works for me. If I do more than that, I tend to hurt my shoulders. Everybody is different though and you have to experiment and find what works for you. So I'm not really swimming a lot of yards get fewer warm-up EZ yards. The shortest swim I'd probably ever do is 400m. The most common is 800m. So I guess my workouts are good. Of course I'll never develop your blinding speed:bow: , but all that would do for me is ensure I was waaay up front when I bonked and drown. Thanx,

I'll work for :drink: . LOL Well if they're willing to work for food :) Thanks Peter. i'm expecting to here a similar report from, my training partner, ~Wren~, shortly...c'mon ~Wren~ hit that pool!

Beth- such a wonderful outcome to a tumultuous period. You're both shining examples of persevering as a mandate to success. Way to go, both of you! Leslie- you are one tough bugger (used affectionately) aren't you? Please be careful not to make your injury(ies) worse though, we don't want the ogre rampaging and pillaging again, do we?