This question has come up offline so I thought I'd post the question to find out the rule about this transitional turn between the IM's back and *** since I no longer do IMs.
Years ago, a flip turn between back and *** was allowed; it was not the new "freestyle" back turn, a swimmer could touch the wall in backstroke, and then flip over to enter the breastroke. Now I believe more swimmers are backstroking into the wall and open turning into the breaststroke portion of the IM.
For all of you Im'ers out there, what is now legal: both turns or does a swimmer have to do an "open turn"?
Donna
From what I can make out, it seems they are beginning to roll to the opposite side of the arm that's touching the wall and then doing a sideways turn with a half twist. That could be dangerous; if you roll too far over, you will get DQ'd.
Yes....I thought the same thing. you would definitely have to practice the timing on this turn a lot before doing it in a meet!
Ann, I had a coach try to teach me Phelp's turn....and I think I drank half the pool. The kids learn it fairly easily, as kid's do, but to learn it as an adult is hard.
There are several videos of the back-*** turn that might make it easier to make out what is going on than the Phelps video. The underwater ones in particular:
youtube.com/profile_videos
Is there any way to view videos from youtube frame by frame or in slow motion?
There are several videos of the back-*** turn that might make it easier to make out what is going on than the Phelps video. The underwater ones in particular:
youtube.com/profile_videos
Is there any way to view videos from youtube frame by frame or in slow motion?
Lindsay great link!
I'll be trying that tonight.
From what I can make out, it seems they are beginning to roll to the opposite side of the arm that's touching the wall and then doing a sideways turn with a half twist. That could be dangerous; if you roll too far over, you will get DQ'd.
You just can't go past vertical prior to touch right?
I wish I could master Phelps' back/*** turn. I have watched that video snip at least 1000 times (seriously) trying to figure it out and I have yet to duplicate it in the pool. First, he does it so fast its hard to see the mechanics, second, I can't seem to place my hand on the wall properly. On the last backstroke stroke, he crosses the hand over his head to the opposite side of his body, touches AND gets a big breath just like an open turn, but then he flips sideways and pushes off on his stomach nice and deep and ready for his breaststroke pullout. I can sorta see what he is doing but I can't actually do it myself in the pool! It's incredibly fast.
MEE TOO! I've watched it so many times! I've tried to duplicate it and can't get it right. It is amazing and very fast!
I could be wrong, but I think this is the turn I do, I'm such a fan of getting to that breaststroke as fast as possible :rolleyes:
However, it does take loosey goosey shoulders. I finish my back leg like I would a backstroke race, by diving down under water, then just do a backflip, perhaps easier with the gymnastics background because I learned it in about 2 seconds ...
