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Jim, I don't see how "cowardly piece of ****" can be taken out of context, but you're more than welcome to post your pm in it's entirety. Unfortunately, I've already deleted my copy. From my perspective, your response was unprovoked and inexcusable. Leslie, as I posted previously, I most certainly was not attacking you personally. Lindsay understood my intention quite clearly. I am duly impressed with your top ten rankings, of which I obviously have none. Likewise, I am confident that your team's workouts are intense and challenging. Rest assured that I will take you up on your invitation and drop in for a workout if I am in your area (as I have done with Masters teams in Boston, Phoenix, Chicago, and of course Austin). Saturday just wasn't feasible. posted by Gull So is this an invitation of some sort to solicite my opinion? I understand that you view yourself as being of the highest moral fiber sitting up there atop your soap box of self richeousness with your firends Geek and Lindsay. We all live by our own set of moral codes I suppose and I'm sure that mine doesn't live up to the standards of others. I don't feel any remorse for what I said though. I usually try and refrain from using language that abusive....but then again I will from time to time do it anyway when I deem the situation appropriate....It doesn't really matter to me what other people have to say about it either. I tried to keep it "private" though and it certainly wansn't anything I wouldn't have said directly to your face or anything. I find it hard to understand why you felt the need to publicize it (as morally irreprehensible as you and others might see it). To me that seems to be the equivalent of some sniffling spineless kid running to tattle on someone everytime he gets picked on by the mean playground bullies like me. Was the reason you publicized it for some higher moral purpose? ...Or was it so that you and others can preach from your high self richeous pulpits? You say that you did not in any way intend to be hurtful or mean in your obviously sarcastic posting towards Fortress.....Here's a poster who has done nothing but say nice things to you and Geek every since she's been here....but then you and the Geek felt the need to blindside her one day and try your best to humiliate her in public (llike you are getting some sick kick out of it)....I found that to be way more morally irreprehensible than sending you that "scathing" PM. If you are such a man of high moral fiber, then why couldn't you have handeled the situation in a more tactful manner? You honestly believe that your posting (and your tag team approach to bullying Fortress like that with Geek) was just friendly jibe....no hurtful intent?? I may be a jerk at times Gull....and certainly I have my flaws....but you are really insulting my intelligence if you expect me to buy into that garbage. I wish I could apologize for what I said....but in this case I really don't believe that is possible.....Here's my advise for the future Gull.....If you deliberately try and bait people the way you and Geek do, then you might get an uncivil response from time to time.....try not to go crying like a baby about it in the future. Newmastersswimmer

Jim, I don't see how "cowardly piece of ****" can be taken out of context, but you're more than welcome to post your pm in it's entirety. Unfortunately, I've already deleted my copy. From my perspective, your response was unprovoked and inexcusable. Leslie, as I posted previously, I most certainly was not attacking you personally. Lindsay understood my intention quite clearly. I am duly impressed with your top ten rankings, of which I obviously have none. Likewise, I am confident that your team's workouts are intense and challenging. Rest assured that I will take you up on your invitation and drop in for a workout if I am in your area (as I have done with Masters teams in Boston, Phoenix, Chicago, and of course Austin). Saturday just wasn't feasible. posted by Gull So is this an invitation of some sort to solicite my opinion? I understand that you view yourself as being of the highest moral fiber sitting up there atop your soap box of self richeousness with your firends Geek and Lindsay. We all live by our own set of moral codes I suppose and I'm sure that mine doesn't live up to the standards of others. I don't feel any remorse for what I said though. I usually try and refrain from using language that abusive....but then again I will from time to time do it anyway when I deem the situation appropriate....It doesn't really matter to me what other people have to say about it either. I tried to keep it "private" though and it certainly wansn't anything I wouldn't have said directly to your face or anything. I find it hard to understand why you felt the need to publicize it (as morally irreprehensible as you and others might see it). To me that seems to be the equivalent of some sniffling spineless kid running to tattle on someone everytime he gets picked on by the mean playground bullies like me. Was the reason you publicized it for some higher moral purpose? ...Or was it so that you and others can preach from your high self richeous pulpits? You say that you did not in any way intend to be hurtful or mean in your obviously sarcastic posting towards Fortress.....Here's a poster who has done nothing but say nice things to you and Geek every since she's been here....but then you and the Geek felt the need to blindside her one day and try your best to humiliate her in public (llike you are getting some sick kick out of it)....I found that to be way more morally irreprehensible than sending you that "scathing" PM. If you are such a man of high moral fiber, then why couldn't you have handeled the situation in a more tactful manner? You honestly believe that your posting (and your tag team approach to bullying Fortress like that with Geek) was just friendly jibe....no hurtful intent?? I may be a jerk at times Gull....and certainly I have my flaws....but you are really insulting my intelligence if you expect me to buy into that garbage. I wish I could apologize for what I said....but in this case I really don't believe that is possible.....Here's my advise for the future Gull.....If you deliberately try and bait people the way you and Geek do, then you might get an uncivil response from time to time.....try not to go crying like a baby about it in the future. Newmastersswimmer