What is striking to me in this debate is that all the women seem to me, at least, to be reasonable.
The most poignant things I've read on these threads lately are 1) Beth's daughter's healthy diagnosis, 2) SeaGurls isolation somewhere out in Oregon/Washington State, where she swims by her self and this is as close as she can find to true team camaraderie, and 3) the twin sisterhood of Beth and Fortess (I am an identical twin myself, so I feel for anyone who wants to have such a wonderful relationship.)
The people who want to control things--and correct me if I am wrong--have all been men,
It breaks my heart to think that SeaGurl is out in the boonies of the wild west, surrounded by Aryan Nation Posse Comitatus training camps, swimming by herself, and having no place in the world besides right here where she can catch up on the catch up stroke drill as well as fluffing techniques.
As to that first sentence, I consider this a direct personal attack involving the most insidious sort of stereotyping. :rofl: :rofl:
I have really enjoyed meeting and chatting with my twin, who is like me in so many ways. (With the very notable exception that her right shoulder is sore whereas my left is. But it means we can swim the 50 fly together.) My baby sister too! When we actually meet in person, there will be much :hug: . Thank for you giving Kyra a :hug: hug too. It was kind. No need to eliminate kindness from a forum.
As to the control issue, I have noticed it is usually men who say "OK, time to move on to another topic" now (like Geek did here) and we are all supposed to comply like little lambs. It's happened on many threads. Sometimes, it's probably better to do so as the discussion has petered out and there's nothing constructive or silly left to be said. (This was Peter's point, I believe.) But other times it's just annoying.
No 4600 for me today, Jim. I'm drawing the line at 4,000 max. I'm a real slacker.
What is striking to me in this debate is that all the women seem to me, at least, to be reasonable.
The most poignant things I've read on these threads lately are 1) Beth's daughter's healthy diagnosis, 2) SeaGurls isolation somewhere out in Oregon/Washington State, where she swims by her self and this is as close as she can find to true team camaraderie, and 3) the twin sisterhood of Beth and Fortess (I am an identical twin myself, so I feel for anyone who wants to have such a wonderful relationship.)
The people who want to control things--and correct me if I am wrong--have all been men,
It breaks my heart to think that SeaGurl is out in the boonies of the wild west, surrounded by Aryan Nation Posse Comitatus training camps, swimming by herself, and having no place in the world besides right here where she can catch up on the catch up stroke drill as well as fluffing techniques.
As to that first sentence, I consider this a direct personal attack involving the most insidious sort of stereotyping. :rofl: :rofl:
I have really enjoyed meeting and chatting with my twin, who is like me in so many ways. (With the very notable exception that her right shoulder is sore whereas my left is. But it means we can swim the 50 fly together.) My baby sister too! When we actually meet in person, there will be much :hug: . Thank for you giving Kyra a :hug: hug too. It was kind. No need to eliminate kindness from a forum.
As to the control issue, I have noticed it is usually men who say "OK, time to move on to another topic" now (like Geek did here) and we are all supposed to comply like little lambs. It's happened on many threads. Sometimes, it's probably better to do so as the discussion has petered out and there's nothing constructive or silly left to be said. (This was Peter's point, I believe.) But other times it's just annoying.
No 4600 for me today, Jim. I'm drawing the line at 4,000 max. I'm a real slacker.
