Five Fast Facts: 50 *** is the title of an article in the latest January 2007 USMS Swimmer magazine, page 10. This is under training and technique.
I normally like the USMS Swimmer magazine, but has anyone else but me been truly upset by such garbage!
They wasted 35 words saying that you have to surface before 15 meters!!!!!
Obviously the writer knew NOTHING about breaststroke, NO SUCH RULE exists for breaststroke.
Then they waste more space with " a scissor kick is illegal in competition.
And "the best *** swimmers spend more than half the race underwater is also JUST WRONG. That may be true in the 200 sc yards or meters, but not the 50 ***.
I am sorry to offend anyone, including the writer, but you should have checked your sources, there are many that could have put together MUCH better tips. It would have taken 10 seconds to email a masters breaststroker to confirn the information.:dedhorse:
I invite people like Allen Stark, Jeff Commings, Seth Van Neerden, Roque J Santos, David M Guthrie, Jack Groselle etc. to come up with 5 fast facts and tips for the 50 ***.
I already e-mailed the mag about their mistake.I think you have to lift weights to sprint breaststroke.I don't think you can develop enough power from water work alone. Wayne was a little confusing as he said you are both faster on the surface and underwater. You are faster underwater because you have no wave resistance,but as was noted as you are only allowed one stroke underwater(plus the outsweep of the second) you will soon slow down to slower than you can swim at the surface. Since in a 50 you are going faster at the surface than at longer distances you should not be underwater as long.How long you should stay underwater depends on how fast your surface breaststroke is and how fast your pullout is.My teammate Bob Smith is a great sprinter in all 4 strokes and has great starts and turns. I am faster than he is breaststroke at the surface but he can keep close in a 50 SCY.I have seen him go 50 ft off the block(more than 15M) before slowing to his surface speed. For those with relatively weak breaststrokes and good pullouts the longer underwater the better. Remember,surface when you slow down to YOUR surface speed.
be very strong the stronger you are the better
looks like oleg took a dolphin kick right as he entered the water off his dive then another when he does his underwater pull
he doesn't pause much after his underwater pull
he brings his hands up and starts swimming
looks like his hands come out of the water as he brings his arms forward
here's a nice underwater view of kitajima
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kitajima above (slow mo)
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athens mens 200 br (2004)
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I have always been under the impression that in *** you are only limited by your pullout and must break the surface of the water before taking another stroke. If you want to stay submerged forever that is fine but you will have no propulsion and will certainly fall behind the other swimmers.
Thanks, Wayne, for all the tips! I'm going to start working on my grab start and doing some eggbeater kick.
So the world's best sprint breaststrokers go about 10m on their dive and start? Guess I'm not in any danger of going past 15, LOL!!
Ande, Kitajima did that same thing at the Olympics.....kicked as he entered the water......then kicked during his pullout......Should have been DQ'd, but it was missed.....They missed it on his turn too.
Wayne, I've got nothing to add. Your tips are good.
I'd like to say, though, that the tips in the magazine seem to be written for people that know nothing about the stroke or the race. So, some things that are not important to experienced breaststrokers might be crucial for a beginner to know.
Also, I thought you had to come up before 15 meters on the underwater pull. From what I understood, that was a blanket rule for all strokes.
Ande, Kitajima did that same thing at the Olympics.....kicked as he entered the water......then kicked during his pullout......Should have been DQ'd, but it was missed.....They missed it on his turn too.
Do you really think it was missed? I remember watching this race with friends (some nonswimmers even) and we all caught it on both occasions.
To me, it seemed so blatant - like swimming the wrong stroke.
Also I believe that a sprint breaststroker should use the 2 handed grab start, not the track start. That is what Oleg uses, as well as most European breaststrokers.Ed Moses set the long course WR in the 50 meter *** with a 27.39 from the U.S. nationals in March 2001. It is now over a second faster!
Is there anyway to download videos from youtube?
He still get his head in very good position for some streamlining, has a fast turn, and even though others may touch with him at the 25 meters, he comes up after the underwater first by over a foot.
I grab...the track feels odd to me. I wish I could turn like Oleg though.
So Wayne you think some head movement is not a bad thing in the 50? Is that because of the speed. I've been trying to get my 50 stroke to be like my 100 and 200. Should I be more muscle on the 50?
Why are neither you or Allen on the East coast...damn....if I didn't hate flying I'd invest in a trip for some pool time.
Rich
Oleg Lisogor holds both records, and has become faster than ever. He just might be the first under 26 seconds! Just 5-6 years ago a good LCM 50 time was 28 flat. And anything in the 27's for the SCM was fast. I have long said that the rest of the world has an advantage by swimming World Cup. Nothing like money to make you swim fast.
Also I believe that a sprint breaststroker should use the 2 handed grab start, not the track start. That is what Oleg uses, as well as most European breaststrokers.Ed Moses set the long course WR in the 50 meter *** with a 27.39 from the U.S. nationals in March 2001. It is now over a second faster!
Is there anyway to download videos from youtube?
He still get his head in very good position for some streamlining, has a fast turn, and even though others may touch with him at the 25 meters, he comes up after the underwater first by over a foot.
