Update on me - 4 months into swimming

-- Anything that is supposed to help you float is in fact the best way to drown yourself While I think this is an excellent point and I've definitely been there before... If only this were true, there sure would be a lot less noodlers left.

Alpha - Congratulations! and keep up the good work. There may be a few folks who take you to task over one or more of your observations, but I'll be the first to say that your persistance will get you there! Matt

Thank You!!!! Not only for the laugh your post brought out ... That post was a scream! Overthinking can sink you. I think newmastersswimmer is right -- better to focus intently on drills or think about one thing at a time while swimming. Thinking about ten things at a time can cause stroke degradation. And sometimes you just gotta swim. I can't kick the TI way either, although I know more expert swimmers who love it. It's better for longer distances or long sets where you use a 2 beat kick. Technique is critical and something that you never stop working on. But just getting in and swimming is critical too. Good luck and keep plugging away! Hope you do not injure yourself swimming backstroke. I rather like that stroke. Jim-Bo: I can't believe you are a pull buoy/paddle addict! I hate big fat paddles. Bad for shoulders.

Alphatree, What a hoot your post was updating your swim abilities after several months. And, I do want you to know that I agree with lots that you wrote: for me, swimming and thinking is like drinking and driving (it doesn't work very well, or it may for a block or two (a lap or two), and then the swimming starts to fall apart as does the driving, and doing both of these things can cause me to hit a wall, virtually and realistically.:rofl: And maybe you have never heard this phrase before but it relates to drinking chlorine: Chlorine is the Breakfast of Champions!! I also agree with swimming and looking forward, not down, because looking down causes me to feel very off-balance plus I enjoy seeing where I am going preferably before I get there. But I am most happy to hear about your update and that you are sticking with it. I just started back swimming a week ago last Monday and am really putting in the work in the ocean with distance and drills and am feeling smoother each day, and I don't TI either because I don't think I could possibly spend my mental energy constantly thinking about swimming; I prefer to just do it and let myself go because I feel my swim style has carried me well for years and years. And my kick is something my body created just for me. I am somewhat like you, I just DO IT MY WAY, wasn't that a song? I'm offline more than on due to power problems here, but I just had to respond and say :groovy: on your progress. And anytime you have to stop and hang on the gutter, remember to do this: Gutter Talk with anyone else taking that little break also. I miss having gutter talk buddies. Donna

Anything that is supposed to help you float is in fact the best way to drown yourself posted by Alphatree I for one am a big fan of paddles and pullbuoy. Having the poolbuoy keeps my back end afloat since my kick is very weak....I can feel a major difference with the pullbouy in the positive sense. I am glad that you are enjoying swimming so much and making improvements alphatree. I also don't try and over-think what I am doing when I am swimming b/c there are so many simultaneous things going on that it is hard to keep all of them in focus.....I do, however, think a lot about what I'm doing while swimming...especially during drills and such.....I try and focus on one thing at a time when doing drills ....and then when I am simply swimming sets and such I try and focus on the "feeling" aspect associated to proper technique...feeling smooth etc. Good luck with it all alphatree and keep us posted on your progress. Newmastersswimmer

Alphathree, Thank You!!!! Not only for the laugh your post brought out, but also for the memories brought back by thinking back to when I started swimming all those years ago!!!!!:rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

Hello, Alphathree. I probably started to learn swimming the same time with you. I've seen some of you posts which benefited me as well. Glad to see your updates. May I add one more thing to your list: just keep going even you feel frustrated and it will pay off. I almost gave it up when I was learning how to breathe in freestyle. I practised a lot and seemed never got it right. Even my coach once said he had tried everything he knew to help and would let it go if I could not get it for one more time. I was alos thinking of that. But anyway I continued to practise alone. And all of a sudden it just happened, very naturally! Thanks for your thread.

I thought I'd clarified on another thread that there is no "TI way to kick." On our Freestyle Made Easy DVD there were several people using a 6-beat -- including Joe Novak of whom there was more footage than any other single swimmer -- and several using a 2-beat. Which, therefore, is the "TI Way?" So I'll reiterate. What we teach is to harmonize and integrate whichever kick comes most naturally to you to the rest of the stroke. Terry: As you should know, I wrote this post well before you "clarified" the TI stance on kicking for Poolraat on the "muscular endurance" thread. All I was referring to above was the synchronization of driving the left foot down while recovering with your right arm. And, in my post, I stated many expert and seasoned swimmers I know love to kick this way. When I said I couldn't do it, I was really just admitting my own ineptitude, not criticizing you. I even said technique was critical and that you should work on it all the time. So I think you're overreacting a little here. This is perfect example of how you should lighten up. If I had to sum up my impressions of the TI "way" to kick based on my own impressions and readings, I think it would be: 1. Throw out the kickboard 2. Don't "waste" your time with kick sets 3. Use the integrated kick I describe above for maximum results in most distances 4. Don't ever use fins to kick It appears you're willing to admit that sprinters actually need a strong kick. Maybe Alphathree was just having trouble with #3 as a beginning swimmer and expressed her frustration. Swimming is a heavily technique oriented sport and I think it's very hard to learn it for the first time your 20s. Most super elite masters swimmers seem to have substantial age group experience, including yourself.

I swam once a week with my HS team in 10th and 11th grade. Joined an AAU club as a HS senior which mainly served to alert me how slow and clueless I was. You swam in high school and college. In fact, I believe you've written that you "majored" in swimming. So you have much more substantial youth experience than many masters swimmers. Most people who swim in college are not considered "slow" either. With your two new LD records, you're definitely an elite master. The point is it's hard to learn swimming. I've had trouble re-learning it as masters after a 24 year break. I had to re-learn basic stuff like flip turns and how to swim fly. I think I'll be perpetually learning. Probably Alphathree will be too.

Which suggests three questions: Which video(s) are you referring to and what kicking advice did you find troublesome? How do "most people kick?" What is a "good thing to think about" when you're trying to kick better? With this input I could try to avoid making similar errors on future productions. 4 strokes made easy There wasn't any particular kicking advice in the videos... it's just the kicking I saw visually. This ties into the over-thinking business I talked about. I found that my kick worked best when I think about kicking fast enough to keep my feet at the surface and feeling the water "boiling" at my toes. Whenever I think about knees locked, knees unlocked, hip-power, pointed toes, or any of that... it just doesn't work. =) Frankly, I didn't think my legs could propel me at all until I started listening to my instructor and did some fast, powerful kicking across the pool. Now I trust my kick. The other thing that I saw in the TI videos was very fast, powerful strokes -- and I thought they were very cool. "BAM" -- one strokes and the swimmer moves 10 feet! The problem is that I tried to do that as a beginner -- "have to keep my stroke count low, otherwise I suck" -- and it really slowed my progress. I've since increased my stroke count and had a lot more success getting across the pool. I take my time. If it takes me 20 strokes to get across the pool, then that's what it takes. I realize I'm not being hyper-efficient, but trying to go farther in fewer strokes left me breathless more often than not. I'm sure that once I develop better breathing skills, I'll be able to move to a lower stroke count.