Are shoulder injuries caused solely by improper stroke mechanics? Can we avoid all pain using perfect technique? Can we throw away the ice pack forever? Or can shoulder pain be caused by other factors as well? Vote if you have an opinion.
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Get me a bucket of water to throw on these two...
Make my day....I can swim... well except crawl :thhbbb: ;) hehe
Make my day....I can swim... well except crawl :thhbbb: ;) hehe
Rich:
I hope you're not sitting at your desk when that bucket of water hits you.:rofl: Or you'll really be adding yourself to the shoulder injury support group.
All:
Aside from all the recent J/K-ing on this thread, I'd still like to know why there is a "shoulder epidemic" among younger swimmers when they're supposed to be more cognizant of technique and not just bashing away at the water. Are their sore middle age parents setting a bad example? I would pay top dollar for Terry or anyone else including that brainiac Lindsay to come back and answer that question and provide any solution. Terry's age groupers are apparently trouble-free, but I see other USS teams focusing on technique a goodly amount. If so, why the "epidemic?"
I just ordered the Buchberger 12 video for rotator cuff and scapular stabilizing exercises.
If anyone is interested, the site is www.rotatorcuff.net. There is a section on "shoulder impingment" with a lot of information, including on "degeneration."
On one of Coach T's cited sites, I saw the phrases overuse, rotator cuff fatigue, scapular dysfunction and shoulder laxity mentioned quite a bit.
the broader swimming community ... critically wrongheaded ... verges on a mass delusion and sickness.
Wow, I missed this the first time I quickly scanned this thread. Isn't this the type of personal insult or lard bomb that's frowned upon on this forum?
I've been re-reading this thread and even though Terry originally stated it was due to technique, and has back-tracked now to swim aids, and possibly volume and other things, I am actually not confused now.
I believe the reason Terry has great success in his swimmers not having shoulder issues is not just because they try to perform perfect technique. They are not doing volume so the only culprit according to his observations has to be technique and specifically in those swimmers not doing TI and doing high-volume. His only measurement is, in fact, for technique. That's the only test he has numbers on.
And I am not a doctor, but I have been a swimmer. I truly believe my shoulder was due to volume, not technique, as I never used paddles because they didn't make them way back then. But I have used them while in masters, and even though I thought and felt they were benefitting me, I think the large ones put entirely too much torque on the shoulder(s), excuse me, my shoulder. Millions of rotations on a shoulder while a person is of young age and their bones and bodies are still developing, may inhibit the growth of the shoulder and surrounding tissues and may even make one pre-disposed to shoulder problems.
Donna
Millions of rotations on a shoulder while a person is of young age and their bones and bodies are still developing, may inhibit the growth of the shoulder and surrounding tissues and may even make one pre-disposed to shoulder problems.
Donna
This makes sense to me. It is similar to the thought that kids shouldn't engage in excessive weights training either.
Leonard,
It may be a too broad a brush. I have just been carefully reading everything Terry wrote and some other people's comments on TI technique with lower volume, so it seemed to be an obvious conclusion, but it is a "general" one. And you are a fine example of high-volume/TI and faring really well. That's a pile of yardage, Dude!!
I just want everyone who swims to never have to experience shoulder problems, and this thread is providing a multitude of thoughts on it, as well as conclusions with and without fact. And I think this is a good thing; makes us all stop and think about our technique and how much yardage may be too much, especially for those who are really, really intune with how they feel during and after practices. You know, kinda like that silent "red flag" that goes up when something isn't quite right.
Donna
I am right handed and favor left side breathing. Interesting. Plus, my elbow joints are definately hyper mobile and so are my daughters. Another term they call us is double jointed, which really is wrong.
Coach T:
I am going to re-read your post more carefully tomorrow morning before heading to a swim meet cuz it's late. But I just wanted to tell you that you made my night! Thank you for laying it all out! :bow:
