Why do most masters swimmers hate breaststroke?

Make sure to mention that breaststroke is the old lady stroke and rip on distance free swimmers, especially open water swimmers. Give me a black line on the bottom of the pool to follow or give me death!

Old lady stroke huh? Maybe the way YOU swim it... :rofl: Outside of masters meets (and practices) how often do you see any women in the 65+ age group swim fly? How often do you see them swim ***? Yes, on Sunday I did race against women much older than me in my 50 ***, and some may have beaten me, but that's okay. I accept my faults ... and since breaststroke is sucky anyway why bother ... Roses are red, violets are blue breaststroke sucks and so do you! ;) :smooch:

Yeah, what he said!

I quickly took out the digital and captured those diamonds of calves. I am out of shape but I can still do 720 pounds on the inclined leg press and 400 pounds on the toe lift. Diamonds are still there:bow: Then I thought, what if I posted those diamond calves as an avatar. The whole internet would come to a halt as all those ladies downloaded the photos. And flyqueen would give up her passion for fly and want to become a complete swimmer by swimming a great breaststrokerNow is it just me or is the banter between Flyqueen and SwimStud sounding like foreplay. Wayne: You're back! Rest assured, we would all love to see those diamond calves. You missed it earlier, we had people posting their "guns" as avatars. So calves are equally good. 720 pounds? Jeez. I'm not sure even seeing a picture of the "calves that can press 720" would dissuade FlyQueen. And she is a big forum flirt. Just like Rich. That's why he picked his monicker. I think you should also check out the "mystery of breaststroke" thread and the "back/fly combo" thread and weigh in. It appears we could all use more of your advice. :bow:

Make sure to mention that breaststroke is the old lady stroke and rip on distance free swimmers, especially open water swimmers. Give me a black line on the bottom of the pool to follow or give me death! Old lady stroke huh? Maybe the way YOU swim it... :rofl:

Come on Fort,enough of the Strokism. Take your rage out on the distance swimmers and their shoulder destroying workouts.:dedhorse:

Posting a picture of diamond calves will do nothing more than make me want to date a breaststroker. Which would be okay ... I won't give a detailed description as to why you can all use your imaginations (just think of other traits of breaststrokers) Anyway ... Wayne, I too will take all the advice I can get. I have downloaded articles from your website on multiple occassions. Like Fort, I detest breaststroke because I suck at it. A teammate of mine actually suggested to me that I just might never get it ... that was encouraging. As for the 75-100 year old women cranking out fly, you'll notice I had a clause that did NOT include masters swimmers at meets or practice. I pray that I can still do a decent fly at 40 and 50 let alone 75. Though my life goal is to break the 50 fly world record in the 90 age groups ... it may take a few years before I get there, but then look out! As for the leg press, yeah I have a funky knee thing too that doesn't allow for such things, I also blame my lack of breaststroke kick on the same knee, but it isn't really related. Fort, it's a good thing you don't ever flirt ... :rolleyes: Rich, accept the fact that you are a flirt, I do ... life is much more fun that way :wiggle:

Back in the 90's when I was a weight room rat, I used to go 30 reps at 1080 on the inclined leg press and 500 on the toe lifts. I went up against some LA Raider players on the leg press, no problem. The only guy who ever killed me on the machine was an Air Force Parajumper, rescues downed pilots. Short at about 5'9", maybe 180 pounds of solid muscle. We started at 540 at 30 reps, went up at 90 pound intervals until 810, then back down again to 450. That's 240 reps, and I was ripped to shreds. I think he was too, but he sure didn't say anything and I didn't either. And every rep was two seconds up and 4 seconds down. I normally do 20 reps at each weight until I max out the day, either 720 or 810, where I will do 30 reps. Maybe 90-100 reps total. In 40 years of swimming, one endorphin high. But many many endorphin highs from the weight room, esp. after taking a carbo pump drink and then REALLY stressing the legs, just shredding them.:groovy: :groovy: I take it there is no TI-ing whatsoever going on here? :rofl: Weights? Endorphins? Muscle? Tsk. Tsk. FlyQueen, I am no flirt. :rofl: You did say I had an adorable husband! He's not a breaststroker though. Or flyer. Sigh.

Flyqueen is correct, breaststrokers do it with both hands:rofl: SwimStud, you are RIGHT, it is mostly mental. For a long time I just did about 400 on the leg press and 200 on the toe lifts. Then a little female body builder shamed me into working in with this GIANT with legs like tree trunks. In one session I went from 200 on toe lifts to 340 and to 600 on the leg press. Flyqueen just needs a good breaststroke coach Hey, If I can get special olympians to look good I could get her to at least look good while swimming breaststroke.:dedhorse: Nah, probably beyond my powers:rofl: I've had some really good coaches, and no has been able to crack the mystery yet. I have great power, good strength, great flexibility it just doesn't work for me. I am serious when I say it is nearly 10 seconds slower than my not so great backstroker and closer to 15 off of my fly. My goal is to go sub :40, but that probably means I need to start working on it at practice ... hmmm ...

I've had some really good coaches, and no has been able to crack the mystery yet. I have great power, good strength, great flexibility it just doesn't work for me. I am serious when I say it is nearly 10 seconds slower than my not so great backstroker and closer to 15 off of my fly. My goal is to go sub :40, but that probably means I need to start working on it at practice ... hmmm ... Man, if only you were me. Just look at me. I go a 32.9. And this stroke that you see is only from my 400 IM when I was gasping for breath after doing that yucky thing called backstroke ... ;) :rofl: Wayne: Don't think I noticed you dodging the TI joke. ;)