The first loss of a master is memory, the second...I forgot. I probably have already asked this question, but here goes:
Does anyone bring their arm straight down and out after the grab? I am talking no sculling, no lateral movement, just bringing the arm straight parallel with the line maintaining the elbow high position. This would be to avoid crossing the midline with your forearm. Even though I breathe on the left, I still rotate fully to the right (a learned and trained and voluntary movement), but even so my right forearm tends to the middle, while my left arm has less pull and is erractic. When I learned the crawl it was from watching Tarzan movies, later when I was 16 and in a USA high school they taught the S shaped movement or the straight down and back. In those days the breathing was to one side. Last question: aside from timing both methods, what are your preferences on the long dolphin versus "less dolphin" emerging sooner method of starts and turns on a 50 meter short course freestyle race? Thanks, billy fanstone
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I counted tonight at practice. I'm usually 12 per 25 yards with a flip (13 with a finish) on free. But I'm also only 5'4". Is that really awful?
That depends on whether you were wearing fins at the time! :thhbbb:
Terry posted that he trains in the 12-15 range for scy. So it is definately not "really awful".
Oh sorry scm,
The fly 36 sec yes if I train regular, no when intermittent. Today no - Chuckie and I have been sick for 2 weeks, flue. It has delayed our departure for Mexico a couple of weeks.
Lindsay:
Good question! I counted without fins. :thhbbb: But I then proceeded to do some nice race pace fly 50s with fins, my personal favorite, and went 30, 29, 28 and did it again. No shoulder pain yet.
Just to be annoying, I'm going to count with fins too. Usually when I wear fins, they're just floating on top of the water. I don't kick much with them (except to SDK). But since my legs are quite strong from all my irrelevant, controversial running cross-training, I'm thinking that if I actually kick hard with my fins, my stroke count will be pretty low.
Solar:
We did a lot of kicking and strokes last night, so I didn't do much free. I counted in the midst of 3 x 300s where we alternated 50 swim/50 kick. How did you know I was counting on 50s?! You are clearly one of those very good USS coaches.
Also, I was definitely using a quite moderate pace as the 300s were between sets of quality 50s, so that probably elongated my stroke. I'll try 200s (Although the 200 free is another event I will never swim in competition. I think I swam it only once or twice my entire youth career.) You're right, though, if I picked up the pace and focused on more than a 50, I'd probably go above 13. I usually do 3 SDKs off my turns though. Thanks. I'll keep counting and report back.
George:
I'm thinking you can go a little faster than 16 seconds in a 25 yard pool if you are still going a 36 in the 50 meter fly.
So you think it's better to stroke count on a set of 25s instead of a 200.
My daughter says there's a 13 year old on her team (6'3", over 200 pounds) who does 6 strokes per length in a 25 meter pool when he's not sprinting. He's a monster.
posted that he trains in the 12-15 range for scy.
Lindsay:
My brain is not as big as Frank's or yours. :shakeshead: I can't remember every post. I also have that multi-tasking mommy Alzheimer's thing and the GoodSmith's short attention span. But I do realize that you two sharp analysts don't miss a beat.:)
Solar Energy:
OK, I can eat sauce.
I counted tonight at practice. I'm usually 12 per 25 yards with a flip (13 with a finish) on free. But I'm also only 5'4". Is that really awful? Will I be eating a lot of sauce? hmmm (scratching my head...). If this was your stroke count at moderate pace (as opposed to exagerately long glide resulting in extra slow pace), then I'm afraid that you wouldn't expect a lot of sauce with your chicken.
In order for stroke count to be valid, to really depict the way you swim, I need you to report your stroke count while swimming normally (as opposed to focuss on it for 50y or so).
I hope you don't mind me questionning the result.
You might want to try a 200y swam at moderate pace. Report back on both the time, and the stroke count per 25y. If possible, try to give us the evolution (or the degradation) of the count throughout the 200y
eg
50y as 12strokes
50y as 14strokes
remaining 100y 15strokes
Something like that. If possible.
Stroke counting is there any sense stroke counting without time. I think I can do 2 strokes for 25m if I try, kick a little more, underwater a litle more glide a little more. I prefer my 25 with a normal push 12 strokes and 16 seconds.
