Question on arm position in freestyle:

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The first loss of a master is memory, the second...I forgot. I probably have already asked this question, but here goes: Does anyone bring their arm straight down and out after the grab? I am talking no sculling, no lateral movement, just bringing the arm straight parallel with the line maintaining the elbow high position. This would be to avoid crossing the midline with your forearm. Even though I breathe on the left, I still rotate fully to the right (a learned and trained and voluntary movement), but even so my right forearm tends to the middle, while my left arm has less pull and is erractic. When I learned the crawl it was from watching Tarzan movies, later when I was 16 and in a USA high school they taught the S shaped movement or the straight down and back. In those days the breathing was to one side. Last question: aside from timing both methods, what are your preferences on the long dolphin versus "less dolphin" emerging sooner method of starts and turns on a 50 meter short course freestyle race? Thanks, billy fanstone
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    Solar: So I'm not sure I need that much sauce. I concure. You know, here up north we don't have any pools in yards. Euh wait a minute. This stroke count you gave me, was it in yards or in meters? Can anyone translate a yard based stroke count into a meter based stroke count? But let's continue the inquiry over your stroke count if you don't mind. I'd really like to link it with a swimming speed, to be sure this count is done while swimming a natural freestyle. If you really swim on a 16str/25y, I expect this to equal 18 str/25m, then given your record of injuries, I would favor underbody scullings. That would help you finding more water while your arm is under your body, thus in a position that's not dangerous for tendinits. Now that's a complicated concept here. So let me explain. Many swimmers, especially at the master level, "cheat" on distance per stroke by : - Gliding for too long - Putting too much pressure on the catch (as a result of having glide for too long). I call that late catching. Now let me be a bit more specific. Say you stroke rate is 60 stroke per minute (not 60 full cycles but 60 strokes. 60 splashes in other words). Simple enough. It means you have 2 full seconds to perform the complete stroke. if you don't glide in the front, you can spread the strain more evenly across the pull through phase. But if you wait for too long, then you don't have as much time to pull. Therefore late catching bug involves putting more strain on your poor shoulders because they are in a weak position while catching. Now you may ask why do people late catch? Simple. Because if feels great. It feels great to glide. And it's easier to feel the catch when you put more pressure on it. Asking some master swimmers not to glide as much in the front sometimes make them loos all their feelings. One solution is to practice sculling in a position where your arms are a bit more under the body, instead of in the fore front. Another teammater told me today that he too has switched back to straight arm free. He says it's not bad for the shoulders ... Well I remember having recommended this practice more than once. I think you read my story about Alex (the blue eye red hair little devil). But it's a drastic change (at least I think). I would recommend it to someone only if I see this person swimming. And if it's through a clip, I need good angles.
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    Solar: So I'm not sure I need that much sauce. I concure. You know, here up north we don't have any pools in yards. Euh wait a minute. This stroke count you gave me, was it in yards or in meters? Can anyone translate a yard based stroke count into a meter based stroke count? But let's continue the inquiry over your stroke count if you don't mind. I'd really like to link it with a swimming speed, to be sure this count is done while swimming a natural freestyle. If you really swim on a 16str/25y, I expect this to equal 18 str/25m, then given your record of injuries, I would favor underbody scullings. That would help you finding more water while your arm is under your body, thus in a position that's not dangerous for tendinits. Now that's a complicated concept here. So let me explain. Many swimmers, especially at the master level, "cheat" on distance per stroke by : - Gliding for too long - Putting too much pressure on the catch (as a result of having glide for too long). I call that late catching. Now let me be a bit more specific. Say you stroke rate is 60 stroke per minute (not 60 full cycles but 60 strokes. 60 splashes in other words). Simple enough. It means you have 2 full seconds to perform the complete stroke. if you don't glide in the front, you can spread the strain more evenly across the pull through phase. But if you wait for too long, then you don't have as much time to pull. Therefore late catching bug involves putting more strain on your poor shoulders because they are in a weak position while catching. Now you may ask why do people late catch? Simple. Because if feels great. It feels great to glide. And it's easier to feel the catch when you put more pressure on it. Asking some master swimmers not to glide as much in the front sometimes make them loos all their feelings. One solution is to practice sculling in a position where your arms are a bit more under the body, instead of in the fore front. Another teammater told me today that he too has switched back to straight arm free. He says it's not bad for the shoulders ... Well I remember having recommended this practice more than once. I think you read my story about Alex (the blue eye red hair little devil). But it's a drastic change (at least I think). I would recommend it to someone only if I see this person swimming. And if it's through a clip, I need good angles.
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