Why is it that Masters level swimmers who participate in USS sanctioned meets under a separate USS registration can't have their times automatically qualify for USMS rankings and USMS National records? What is the reason for this separation? The rules with USMS and USS seem parallel enough to allow USS swims to qualify under USMS ranking and records. Do we care if elite older swimmers in their 30's (say Gary Hall Jr.) effectively end up owning the USMS national record by default? Is USMS afraid of merging to closely with USS? Why wouldn't USMS want to recognize the true best performance by and old man/women in the pool regardless of whether their card said USS or USMS on it?
John Smith
This website pool records section lists the 25-29 50 free scy record as Robert Peel 19.83 dated 5/19/91. That's 5 years prior to the 96 Olympic trials. He would have been 25 or 26.
He would have been in the 30-34 age group in 1996 I think. So, apparently, that's how he got the 30-34 LCM USMS national record for the 50 free.
So, you're right. It is interesting that Rob got a national record for 50 free LCM for the USMS without even swimming the race at a USMS meet and Sabir got denied, even though he swam both records at the 2004 USMS National Championship.
Racer X Allan:
The reason Sabir Muhammed did not get credit for any of the three USMS National Records was because he did not get a copy of his birth certificate to USMS for record purposes. Myself, like Paul Smith and many others were a witness to probably the most outstanding sprint swimming in USMS history by the Race Club and in particular Sabir Muhaammed. Sabir went his best time ever in the 100 Yard Free and crushed the record of :44.39 with a time of :42.91 and was swimming next to Gary Hall Jr. at the time who went :44.27 and they both got the record. Obviously Gary got a copy of his birth certificate to USMS. Sabir best time in college was a :43.39 swimming for Stanford. His :19.44 was also a lifetime best when he broke the record of :19.83 in the 50 Free. Another record that you forgot to metion may be as impressive as the 100 Free Record.
Sabir swam a :21.15 in the 50 Fly, breaking the record by over a second (22.16) and that was almost as fast as Paul Smith 50 Free of :20.95 at the same meet. This is hard to compare with with his best in the NCAA because they don't have a 50 Fly but he has the fastest relay split in history of :19.74 from the 200 Medley Relay from the 1998 NCAA Championships. He set an American Record of :46.18 in getting 2nd to Lars Frolander from SMU/Sweden who went :45.59 for the US Open and NCAA Record. He held the record for a year until Dod Wales did a :45.89 the next year. I think if he would have done the 100 Fly at this meet he could have possibly gone below :47.00 as a USMS swimmer and the crushed record of Brian Alderman of :48.51 from 1998 because of the way he swam that 100 Free.
Everyone at the Nationals saw these swimmers because they basically stopped the meet to see them. Hall, Muhammed, and the others were hamming it up to get the crowds excited. And like Paul said they were treated like gods by everyone. Now I believe there is hope for Sabir to get these records. I believe the 60 day requirement is for the FINA records and I don't believe there is a statue of limitations for USMS records. I believe that pool measurements and timing tapes were sent in and the only responsibility he has to do is get that birth certificate in to get credit for those records. So the ball is in his court so to speak and if he doesn't care about it then his swims will basically be forgotten except for the people that saw them at the meet. I believe that his performances are the best to date of sprint swimming in USMS history. He took the 100 Free record and skipped the :43's completely and was only 1.29 seconds from the fastest 100 time ever recorded in 2004.
This website pool records section lists the 25-29 50 free scy record as Robert Peel 19.83 dated 5/19/91. That's 5 years prior to the 96 Olympic trials. He would have been 25 or 26.
He would have been in the 30-34 age group in 1996 I think. So, apparently, that's how he got the 30-34 LCM USMS national record for the 50 free.
So, you're right. It is interesting that Rob got a national record for 50 free LCM for the USMS without even swimming the race at a USMS meet and Sabir got denied, even though he swam both records at the 2004 USMS National Championship.
Racer X Allan:
The reason Sabir Muhammed did not get credit for any of the three USMS National Records was because he did not get a copy of his birth certificate to USMS for record purposes. Myself, like Paul Smith and many others were a witness to probably the most outstanding sprint swimming in USMS history by the Race Club and in particular Sabir Muhaammed. Sabir went his best time ever in the 100 Yard Free and crushed the record of :44.39 with a time of :42.91 and was swimming next to Gary Hall Jr. at the time who went :44.27 and they both got the record. Obviously Gary got a copy of his birth certificate to USMS. Sabir best time in college was a :43.39 swimming for Stanford. His :19.44 was also a lifetime best when he broke the record of :19.83 in the 50 Free. Another record that you forgot to metion may be as impressive as the 100 Free Record.
Sabir swam a :21.15 in the 50 Fly, breaking the record by over a second (22.16) and that was almost as fast as Paul Smith 50 Free of :20.95 at the same meet. This is hard to compare with with his best in the NCAA because they don't have a 50 Fly but he has the fastest relay split in history of :19.74 from the 200 Medley Relay from the 1998 NCAA Championships. He set an American Record of :46.18 in getting 2nd to Lars Frolander from SMU/Sweden who went :45.59 for the US Open and NCAA Record. He held the record for a year until Dod Wales did a :45.89 the next year. I think if he would have done the 100 Fly at this meet he could have possibly gone below :47.00 as a USMS swimmer and the crushed record of Brian Alderman of :48.51 from 1998 because of the way he swam that 100 Free.
Everyone at the Nationals saw these swimmers because they basically stopped the meet to see them. Hall, Muhammed, and the others were hamming it up to get the crowds excited. And like Paul said they were treated like gods by everyone. Now I believe there is hope for Sabir to get these records. I believe the 60 day requirement is for the FINA records and I don't believe there is a statue of limitations for USMS records. I believe that pool measurements and timing tapes were sent in and the only responsibility he has to do is get that birth certificate in to get credit for those records. So the ball is in his court so to speak and if he doesn't care about it then his swims will basically be forgotten except for the people that saw them at the meet. I believe that his performances are the best to date of sprint swimming in USMS history. He took the 100 Free record and skipped the :43's completely and was only 1.29 seconds from the fastest 100 time ever recorded in 2004.
