Why is it that Masters level swimmers who participate in USS sanctioned meets under a separate USS registration can't have their times automatically qualify for USMS rankings and USMS National records? What is the reason for this separation? The rules with USMS and USS seem parallel enough to allow USS swims to qualify under USMS ranking and records. Do we care if elite older swimmers in their 30's (say Gary Hall Jr.) effectively end up owning the USMS national record by default? Is USMS afraid of merging to closely with USS? Why wouldn't USMS want to recognize the true best performance by and old man/women in the pool regardless of whether their card said USS or USMS on it?
John Smith
This website pool records section lists the 25-29 50 free scy record as Robert Peel 19.83 dated 5/19/91. That's 5 years prior to the 96 Olympic trials. He would have been 25 or 26.
He would have been in the 30-34 age group in 1996 I think. So, apparently, that's how he got the 30-34 LCM USMS national record for the 50 free.
So, you're right. It is interesting that Rob got a national record for 50 free LCM for the USMS without even swimming the race at a USMS meet and Sabir got denied, even though he swam both records at the 2004 USMS National Championship.
Racer X Allan and Lefty:
I can speak as an authority on this since I was the Michigan LMSC Top Ten Recorder at the time. Rob Peel set both of his Short Course Yards records in Nashville at the 1991 Short Course Nationals. He obviously turned in his birth certificate and the records were not approached for many years. In fact he is the first person to go under :20.00 and :45.00 seconds in masters. His :19.83 and :44.39 swim broke the National Records set by Kevin DeForest. At the time those were outstanding swims and he went faster than anyone in that age group for 13 years. He did these times before the 1992 Olympic Trials. In the 1992 Olympic Trials, Rob Peel finished 9th place just missing making the final with a time of :22.97 and missing the USMS National Record held by Kevin DeForrest with the outstanding time of :22.59 from the 1983 LC Nationals in the same pool at Indy. Because he did not get the back up information required by USMS, he was listed in the Top Ten with a :24.14 from the 1992 Worlds that were in Indy also and after the Trials because they were held early that year in March. He was beaten by two guys in the 1992 World meet. He was beaten by a German swimmer in the 25-29 age group named Olaf Ahlers who did a time of :23.64 and he was beaten by one Rowdy Gaines in the 30-34 age group with a time of :23.94.
Rob continued to train up until the 1996 Olympic Trials and got 6th place with a time of :22.80 and beat Tom Jager the former Olympian in the event who got 7th place at :22.85. I remember this well because when Tom was interviewed by NBC he said he swam so bad that he didn't deserve to be on the Olympic team. He also said he was not even the fastest in his age group referring to Rob Peel. Rob was 30 at the time and Tom was 31. That :22.80 is a USMS record because he followed the USMS requirements at the time. It was not a FINA World Record because that was the first year that the FINA rule was instituted that stated "All World Records must be in Sanctioned Masters Meets", which I believe is still the policy today. One major change is that there was no requirement for a pool measurement if the swim was a non record in a bulkhead pool, which is not the case today.
Rob Peel also set a SCM USMS Record in the 50 Free at :22.48 at the US Open in Ann Arbor in 1993. That swim was not a FINA World Record and has since been tied by Ed Wagner who did get credit for the World Record because he performed the swim at a Masters meet per FINA rules.
I was at this meet and remember it well because Michigan Masters had two swimmers at the time set records at this meet (Rob Peel and Shelia Taormina) and paperwork had to be submitted for these records to count.
www.michiganmasters.com/.../MISCYM.pdfwww.michiganmasters.com/.../MILONGME06.pdf
This website pool records section lists the 25-29 50 free scy record as Robert Peel 19.83 dated 5/19/91. That's 5 years prior to the 96 Olympic trials. He would have been 25 or 26.
He would have been in the 30-34 age group in 1996 I think. So, apparently, that's how he got the 30-34 LCM USMS national record for the 50 free.
So, you're right. It is interesting that Rob got a national record for 50 free LCM for the USMS without even swimming the race at a USMS meet and Sabir got denied, even though he swam both records at the 2004 USMS National Championship.
Racer X Allan and Lefty:
I can speak as an authority on this since I was the Michigan LMSC Top Ten Recorder at the time. Rob Peel set both of his Short Course Yards records in Nashville at the 1991 Short Course Nationals. He obviously turned in his birth certificate and the records were not approached for many years. In fact he is the first person to go under :20.00 and :45.00 seconds in masters. His :19.83 and :44.39 swim broke the National Records set by Kevin DeForest. At the time those were outstanding swims and he went faster than anyone in that age group for 13 years. He did these times before the 1992 Olympic Trials. In the 1992 Olympic Trials, Rob Peel finished 9th place just missing making the final with a time of :22.97 and missing the USMS National Record held by Kevin DeForrest with the outstanding time of :22.59 from the 1983 LC Nationals in the same pool at Indy. Because he did not get the back up information required by USMS, he was listed in the Top Ten with a :24.14 from the 1992 Worlds that were in Indy also and after the Trials because they were held early that year in March. He was beaten by two guys in the 1992 World meet. He was beaten by a German swimmer in the 25-29 age group named Olaf Ahlers who did a time of :23.64 and he was beaten by one Rowdy Gaines in the 30-34 age group with a time of :23.94.
Rob continued to train up until the 1996 Olympic Trials and got 6th place with a time of :22.80 and beat Tom Jager the former Olympian in the event who got 7th place at :22.85. I remember this well because when Tom was interviewed by NBC he said he swam so bad that he didn't deserve to be on the Olympic team. He also said he was not even the fastest in his age group referring to Rob Peel. Rob was 30 at the time and Tom was 31. That :22.80 is a USMS record because he followed the USMS requirements at the time. It was not a FINA World Record because that was the first year that the FINA rule was instituted that stated "All World Records must be in Sanctioned Masters Meets", which I believe is still the policy today. One major change is that there was no requirement for a pool measurement if the swim was a non record in a bulkhead pool, which is not the case today.
Rob Peel also set a SCM USMS Record in the 50 Free at :22.48 at the US Open in Ann Arbor in 1993. That swim was not a FINA World Record and has since been tied by Ed Wagner who did get credit for the World Record because he performed the swim at a Masters meet per FINA rules.
I was at this meet and remember it well because Michigan Masters had two swimmers at the time set records at this meet (Rob Peel and Shelia Taormina) and paperwork had to be submitted for these records to count.
www.michiganmasters.com/.../MISCYM.pdfwww.michiganmasters.com/.../MILONGME06.pdf
