USS times should count in USMS

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Why is it that Masters level swimmers who participate in USS sanctioned meets under a separate USS registration can't have their times automatically qualify for USMS rankings and USMS National records? What is the reason for this separation? The rules with USMS and USS seem parallel enough to allow USS swims to qualify under USMS ranking and records. Do we care if elite older swimmers in their 30's (say Gary Hall Jr.) effectively end up owning the USMS national record by default? Is USMS afraid of merging to closely with USS? Why wouldn't USMS want to recognize the true best performance by and old man/women in the pool regardless of whether their card said USS or USMS on it? John Smith
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    This website pool records section lists the 25-29 50 free scy record as Robert Peel 19.83 dated 5/19/91. That's 5 years prior to the 96 Olympic trials. He would have been 25 or 26. He would have been in the 30-34 age group in 1996 I think. So, apparently, that's how he got the 30-34 LCM USMS national record for the 50 free. So, you're right. It is interesting that Rob got a national record for 50 free LCM for the USMS without even swimming the race at a USMS meet and Sabir got denied, even though he swam both records at the 2004 USMS National Championship.
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  • Former Member
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    This website pool records section lists the 25-29 50 free scy record as Robert Peel 19.83 dated 5/19/91. That's 5 years prior to the 96 Olympic trials. He would have been 25 or 26. He would have been in the 30-34 age group in 1996 I think. So, apparently, that's how he got the 30-34 LCM USMS national record for the 50 free. So, you're right. It is interesting that Rob got a national record for 50 free LCM for the USMS without even swimming the race at a USMS meet and Sabir got denied, even though he swam both records at the 2004 USMS National Championship.
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