USS times should count in USMS

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Why is it that Masters level swimmers who participate in USS sanctioned meets under a separate USS registration can't have their times automatically qualify for USMS rankings and USMS National records? What is the reason for this separation? The rules with USMS and USS seem parallel enough to allow USS swims to qualify under USMS ranking and records. Do we care if elite older swimmers in their 30's (say Gary Hall Jr.) effectively end up owning the USMS national record by default? Is USMS afraid of merging to closely with USS? Why wouldn't USMS want to recognize the true best performance by and old man/women in the pool regardless of whether their card said USS or USMS on it? John Smith
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    www.sabirswims.com Paul, I was being sarcastic. Sabir does not make any comments about USMS at all. If you read his bio, it includes all his major accomplishments in swimming including the 2004 olympic trials. He makes no mention at all of the fact that he broke two national records in the USMS Nationals and beat Gary Hall in the process in the Spring just before the Olympic trials. It is as if the USMS does not exist to him. I wonder why that might be? This guy could be a major asset to the USMS now, and into the future. Rules can be bent or broken, from time to time, if it's for a good reason. Sabir's national records should be reinstated. 19.44 is the National record for all age groups. Therefore, his age is actually pointless. He happened to be 29, so, he should get the 25-29 record proof of age or not. If he swam in the 20-24 it would still be the record, same for 30-34. Making people jump through hoops for age, when they don't even drug test, seems a bit silly to me.
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  • Former Member
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    www.sabirswims.com Paul, I was being sarcastic. Sabir does not make any comments about USMS at all. If you read his bio, it includes all his major accomplishments in swimming including the 2004 olympic trials. He makes no mention at all of the fact that he broke two national records in the USMS Nationals and beat Gary Hall in the process in the Spring just before the Olympic trials. It is as if the USMS does not exist to him. I wonder why that might be? This guy could be a major asset to the USMS now, and into the future. Rules can be bent or broken, from time to time, if it's for a good reason. Sabir's national records should be reinstated. 19.44 is the National record for all age groups. Therefore, his age is actually pointless. He happened to be 29, so, he should get the 25-29 record proof of age or not. If he swam in the 20-24 it would still be the record, same for 30-34. Making people jump through hoops for age, when they don't even drug test, seems a bit silly to me.
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