USS times should count in USMS

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Why is it that Masters level swimmers who participate in USS sanctioned meets under a separate USS registration can't have their times automatically qualify for USMS rankings and USMS National records? What is the reason for this separation? The rules with USMS and USS seem parallel enough to allow USS swims to qualify under USMS ranking and records. Do we care if elite older swimmers in their 30's (say Gary Hall Jr.) effectively end up owning the USMS national record by default? Is USMS afraid of merging to closely with USS? Why wouldn't USMS want to recognize the true best performance by and old man/women in the pool regardless of whether their card said USS or USMS on it? John Smith
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    Hi Leslie, Please re-read my first post to John on this topic. I am definetly not a speed demon. I am old and slow. I do enjoy the 50 free despite these two facts:D Just to reiterate, Gary Hall Jr. was entered as a FINA Worlds partcipant. So, according to the rules, he had to be an active, dues paying USMS member when he swam at Pan Pacs and broke the USMS and FINA Masters World record for the 50 free. My recollection of the entry process for the FINA Worlds required a current USMS membership number. I really wish he was there. I had my video camera at the ready. More importantly, I had a kickboard and an indelible pen ready to get an autograph for my 6 year old nephew for his birthday. I showed him the video of both my sister and I swimming the 50, but it lacked the pizzaz of the planned birthday program. Frank Thompson's most excellent post on FINA's stand simply confirms my very first statement on this thread.
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  • Former Member
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    Hi Leslie, Please re-read my first post to John on this topic. I am definetly not a speed demon. I am old and slow. I do enjoy the 50 free despite these two facts:D Just to reiterate, Gary Hall Jr. was entered as a FINA Worlds partcipant. So, according to the rules, he had to be an active, dues paying USMS member when he swam at Pan Pacs and broke the USMS and FINA Masters World record for the 50 free. My recollection of the entry process for the FINA Worlds required a current USMS membership number. I really wish he was there. I had my video camera at the ready. More importantly, I had a kickboard and an indelible pen ready to get an autograph for my 6 year old nephew for his birthday. I showed him the video of both my sister and I swimming the 50, but it lacked the pizzaz of the planned birthday program. Frank Thompson's most excellent post on FINA's stand simply confirms my very first statement on this thread.
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