Freestyle Stroke Question

Former Member
Former Member
I am trying to improve my freestyle. I have been working on balance,timing,counting strokes. When watching videos of world classs swimmers, I noticed that on swimmers like Michael Phelps and Ryan Lochte, that their arm in the water is fully extended(straight) and angled below the corresponding shoulder. It looks as though the arm that is about to catch the water is angled to where it points towards where the pool wall and pool bottom meet. Not pointed directly down but not pointed directly straight out from the shoulder to the wall. It seems like most of the best freestylers have their extended arms pointed below their bottom shoulder at an angle before the pull. This also appears to only happen once they have finished the rotation to that side. Has anyone else noticed this or am I way off? Thanks, David
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  • Former Member
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    Years ago I lost interest in the r.s.s newgroup because I tired of endless angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin discussions that shed no light on how or why movements work or don't. And the longer they go on, the more theoretical and abstract they seem to become. So my attempt to engage you in a serious discussion regarding one of your theories (and theories are meant to be challenged) prompts this dismissive response? Are we to assume that you are unable to explain how a swimmer can "weight shift" in a manner analogous to a land-based athlete (who has the benefit of a solid surface)? This is a concept which you have emphasized here on this forum and elsewhere (in your books); now it is an "angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin discussion" because it is being questioned. If we are discussing swimming technique, it is not a trivial point. Does our power derive from our shoulders, as many believe, or should we focus on "weight shift" as you are proposing?
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  • Former Member
    Former Member
    Years ago I lost interest in the r.s.s newgroup because I tired of endless angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin discussions that shed no light on how or why movements work or don't. And the longer they go on, the more theoretical and abstract they seem to become. So my attempt to engage you in a serious discussion regarding one of your theories (and theories are meant to be challenged) prompts this dismissive response? Are we to assume that you are unable to explain how a swimmer can "weight shift" in a manner analogous to a land-based athlete (who has the benefit of a solid surface)? This is a concept which you have emphasized here on this forum and elsewhere (in your books); now it is an "angels-on-the-head-of-a-pin discussion" because it is being questioned. If we are discussing swimming technique, it is not a trivial point. Does our power derive from our shoulders, as many believe, or should we focus on "weight shift" as you are proposing?
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