Oh Contrar Mr. Smith.....
I told you to stop dropping your thumbs to almost 90 degrees at hand entry.....a poor/lazy habit you picked up training on your own the last couple of years with opversize paddles and without my being around to yell to you......any chance that may play a part with your should problem thats emerged???!!
Also.......I told you to keep your hand "relaxed" but to pull your thumb in rather than having it positioned like part of a big "L" as in LOSER!!
And by the way......seems to have helped a bit considering your relay splits at worlds wouldn't you say.....so YOU pay up old man!
PS: next year we're going to get you out of that late 70's, googles out breakout on starts/turns that you seem to take pleasure in!
Chuck......you nailed it.
Swimmers who try to "pull" their hands/arms thru the water can be spotted quickly......working way to hard and losing.
Place the hand and move thru it is the "feel" that many struggle to find along with integrating the kick and core rotation. Done correctly there's virtually no sense of it being work.
Evil one..... read this string on hand and finger positions. You have been yelling at me for about a year about my thumb being spread out and extended too far from my index finger.
It doesn't matter.
I am right.......... you are wrong....... pay up.
John Smith
Evil One,
I will never abandon my classic late 1970s Ray Bussardesque Tennessee style head up pop up breakout on my start. That and my Compy goggles are the only remnants I have left in my life that represent stability.
As for oversized paddles..... not me dude.... I wear the small red speedo paddles. You forget, Rich Saeger and I have size 10.5 feet and hands. YOU are the one that wears plane wings with your bouy.
John Smith
Originally posted by geochuck
Are we moving the hand through the water or are we using newtons third law? Are we actuaully pressing against that imaginary wall that is actually a wall of water?
It isn't an either/or situation, Newton's third law applies in all ordinary situations but if you don't move your hand through the water you don't generate any forces beyond normal water pressure which acts from all directions and cancels out.
One the one hand you can try to feel like you are grabbing water and pulling yourself past it without your arm slipping/moving backward, and that can be useful for learning the motion, but in reality it is impossible, if you arm is not moving through the water it isn't generating any propulsion. Looking at it the other way, it is a basic property of fluids that if you apply force movement occurs.
Debaitable Linsay
How far does the hand move back. I have a hard time when examining videos of great swimmers seeing the hand moving through the water. What I do see is the hand enters and almost stays where it enters and the body moves past the hand. They are pushing on the wall of water???
My high school coach really was A. Fish. His name was Arthur Fish. He is still alive. I think he is 95 yrs old. He taught at Galesburg Sr. Hgh School, Galesburg , IL. for about 40 yrs. He coached in his time, football, wrestling,. swimming and taught P. E. and Drivers Ed. I had him for drivers ed i 1974. He said I was the worse driver he had ever seen. Once we went up on the curb and he said he saw his life flash before his eyes. He played football for the Univerisyt of Illinois. He once played against my uncle when hte Univ. used to play the small colleges inthe early fall.
Most peole treated him as if he were a god. I thought that he was a good coach but I've had better. He made me swim backstroke because he said I had a natural roll. I hated swimming back. All I wanted to do was swim free for hours on end.
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