open/closed handed freestyle??

Originally posted by LindsayNB George and Paul, as I said in my post there is feel and there is physics. The stroke should feel like you are grabbing something solid and pulling yourself past it, and the better your technique the closer you will come to that, it may even be that how you should swim is exactly how you would swim if it were possible to push on a fluid as if it were a solid. BUT, it is basic physics that you can't push against a fluid without the fluid moving in the direction you are pushing. Again, it is very possible that it is better to concentrate on the feel and forget about the physics. Rather than debate with me debate directly with the water: go to the pool and try to push against it without having it move. Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay, Don't you know that swimming has nothing to do with physics? If you look at very good freestylers or flyers, you will notice that their hand comes out almost exactly where it goes in. This is harder to tell with backstrokers & ***. They are the same though. You do not argue. You only accept. Swimming is the great majic trick and the great deceiver. Also, don't we know from studying plastics, water and air streams that sometimes a substance can be both a solid and a liquid? The water does move but you are constantly moving your hand into still, or stiller water. That is the great deception of swimming. Read the chapter about free stroke in Swimming Faster. (I am once again about to really screw his name) Maglischo tells us this very simply. We don't perceive this while we are moving because we are moving. I think it is to do with relativity and perception. This is why most swimmers swim the "S" in their stroke. Once in high school, I was told by my coach A. Fish, that the free is like pollvaulting: You plant your hand & then vault your body over your hand. I have always had a very difficult time of this until one day doing IMs I realized that while going from back to *** I was planting my hand then vaulting my body over the hand.

Originally posted by LindsayNB George and Paul, as I said in my post there is feel and there is physics. The stroke should feel like you are grabbing something solid and pulling yourself past it, and the better your technique the closer you will come to that, it may even be that how you should swim is exactly how you would swim if it were possible to push on a fluid as if it were a solid. BUT, it is basic physics that you can't push against a fluid without the fluid moving in the direction you are pushing. Again, it is very possible that it is better to concentrate on the feel and forget about the physics. Rather than debate with me debate directly with the water: go to the pool and try to push against it without having it move. Lindsay, Lindsay, Lindsay, Don't you know that swimming has nothing to do with physics? If you look at very good freestylers or flyers, you will notice that their hand comes out almost exactly where it goes in. This is harder to tell with backstrokers & ***. They are the same though. You do not argue. You only accept. Swimming is the great majic trick and the great deceiver. Also, don't we know from studying plastics, water and air streams that sometimes a substance can be both a solid and a liquid? The water does move but you are constantly moving your hand into still, or stiller water. That is the great deception of swimming. Read the chapter about free stroke in Swimming Faster. (I am once again about to really screw his name) Maglischo tells us this very simply. We don't perceive this while we are moving because we are moving. I think it is to do with relativity and perception. This is why most swimmers swim the "S" in their stroke. Once in high school, I was told by my coach A. Fish, that the free is like pollvaulting: You plant your hand & then vault your body over your hand. I have always had a very difficult time of this until one day doing IMs I realized that while going from back to *** I was planting my hand then vaulting my body over the hand.