I am slow, and when I mean slow, I mean slow. I can do a 26 sec 50 with fins, but without I come in just under 1:20! I think a big part of it is just taking the fins off and doing a lot of kick sets to learn to feel the water better with my feet. I have a good breaststroke kick so I don't think my problem is an overly weak pair of legs, although they could be in better shape. Also, myankles are fairly flexible as I can point my toes and make my feet bend backwards past an even position with my shins. However, I do think that I need to loosen up my ankles when I kick. I feel like I get more out of my kick for those brief moments when I allow my ankles to snap back and forth with my kick. I think I actually need to relax more to kick faster as weird as that sounds.
I suppose the answer to my question is that I simply need to take of the fins and do kick set after kick set until I learn to feel the water better with my feet and become more efficient.
45 for a 50 is not a bad starting point, it's where you are.
you need to bring it down
I suggest you test 25's & 50's, and maybe even 100's
As you improve your kicking speed your 100 time should drop
Kicking is low hanging fruit for you, pick it and savor the flavor
good luck aqualung my friend,
start away
ande
Okay Ande. I will try your regimen, also on my dolphin kick.
oops. That was my 100y free in 0:56 and 50y flutter with board in 0:45, both in 25y pools. How should flutter times relate to free times?
Yes. I'm sure of this, but no electronic Swiss timing or touch pads, just eyeing that deck clock with the red and black arms, with my mouth ajar and my neck hurting from double-takes. After about five of them, she started slowing down and I began to almost keep up doing all-out free. I'm getting old and over the hill. All of these women are like little girls to me now. This one might have been college age. There was another one doing 50m flys on 0:30 repeated sets in a 25m pool. I asked her if she does that often. She said that she was just kidding. The second siting has little to do with kicking but geesh.
...When I go all out flutter with board & no fins, I can do a 50y single shot deal in 0:45 in a 25y pool.
If I mosey along, it takes 1:00 or so. My best 50y free is 0:56 in a 25y pool.
You kick 50y in 45 seconds and swim it in 56? :confused:
Okay Ande. I will try your regimen, also on my dolphin kick.
You kick 50y in 45 seconds and swim it in 56?
oops. That was my 100y free in 0:56 and 50y flutter with board in 0:45, both in 25y pools. How should flutter times relate to free times?
I've seen a girl here dolphin kick with board & no fins, 100m repeated sets in 1:10 in a 50m pool (Fremont HS in Sunnyvale, CA)!
Yes. I'm sure of this, but no electronic Swiss timing or touch pads, just eyeing that deck clock with the red and black arms, with my mouth ajar and my neck hurting from double-takes. After about five of them, she started slowing down and I began to almost keep up doing all-out free. I'm getting old and over the hill. All of these women are like little girls to me now. This one might have been college age. There was another one doing 50m flys on 0:30 repeated sets in a 25m pool. I asked her if she does that often. She said that she was just kidding. The second siting has little to do with kicking but geesh.
thanks Mc Trusty
It was fun to write
couldn't resist, glad you enjoyed it
Bravo Ande!
Swimming advice delivered via Jethro Tull lyrics :D. That made my day.
I'm brand new to this forum and this is my first post because this thread is quite interesting.
Have you all been talking meters or yards?
When I go all out flutter with board & no fins, I can do a 50y single shot deal in 0:45 in a 25y pool.
If I mosey along, it takes 1:00 or so. My best 50y free is 0:56 in a 25y pool. Is the kicking helping anything else properly? Am I doing something wrong?
What do you do for the next level?
I've seen a girl here dolphin kick with board & no fins, 100m repeated sets in 1:10 in a 50m pool (Fremont HS in Sunnyvale, CA)! What the hell?!! Occasionally, people like Janet Evans and Pablo Morales hop in around here, but jeez-louise.
As I splash around in New Jersey, best wishes to the swimmers in Austin.
Till now:
3/1: 30.2
3/8: 28.0
3/15: 27.12
3/22: 27.62
3/29: 26.27
4/4: 27.18
4/11: 25.15
This week:
5/3: 26.10
Didn't post for a couple of weeks because I was at Disney World with the kids.
As an aside, does anyone else have days when they are simply slow? This morning I felt fine and well-rested, I felt like I worked hard, but all my times - kicking and swimming - were a lot slower than normal - like one second per 25.
no worries
keep after it
everyone has on days and off days
Monte Warden, an Austin songwriter friend of mine said
"Sometimes songwriting is like taking spiritual dictation
other times it's like you have 8 crayons and you're writing with your foot. Write through it."
Swimming can be the same way,
"Sometimes you're on a roll and other times the steam roller is rolling over you. Swim through it."
Sometimes you're that bat
sometimes you're the ball
Sometimes you're the windshield
sometimes you're the bug.
Keep training, you'll improve.
even when you're showing no signs of improvement, if you train consistently you are likely to improve when you rest.
Keep training whether you see signs of improvement or not.
It takes faith.
if you have time, include DPK drills, foot stretching, and leg weight training in your daily and weekly training regimin.
Every now and then do your fast test kick in a racing suit.
As I splash around in New Jersey, best wishes to the swimmers in Austin.
Till now:
3/1: 30.2
3/8: 28.0
3/15: 27.12
3/22: 27.62
3/29: 26.27
4/4: 27.18
4/11: 25.15
This week:
5/3: 26.10
Didn't post for a couple of weeks because I was at Disney World with the kids.
As an aside, does anyone else have days when they are simply slow? This morning I felt fine and well-rested, I felt like I worked hard, but all my times - kicking and swimming - were a lot slower than normal - like one second per 25.
a sprint kick improvement program can
improve the kicking and swimming results for poor kicks
I've decided to modify the
testing and training recommendations for
"Help My Flutter Kick is Horrible"
Testing
please test all out 25's for
1) kick with a board
2) kick with no board
3) swim
put plenty of rest between each like a very easy 75 or 125
then get out of the pool and rest at least 1:00
report your results
Training
1) do 12 x 25 kick
1 as fast as possible for time
3 easy recovery concentrating on distance per kick
2) do 12 x 25 swim
1 as fast as possible for time blasting your legs
3 easy recovery
3) stretch your feet / ankles to improve your toe point
4) do leg weight lifting exercises to improve your leg strength power and speed
leg press
leg extensions
leg curls
5) do this for 5 weeks
train a couple times a week then
test on Friday or Saturday then
rest during week 6: , don't do the speed kicking training then
test at the end of the week and of course
Report your results, here
