There was some confusion over the previous poll "What is your favorite stroke?", as the word "favorite" can be interpreted many different ways. For example, someone may think it's his/her favorite because it's most graceful and likes to watch this stroke the most, but he/she may not necessarily swim this stroke.
So this is the new poll.
Please only select the stroke you PERSONALLY train and spend most time swimming (and thinking about).
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Originally posted by knelson
This is a ridiculous and offensive statment. What makes you think we don't know how sprinters train? It's not like we're cloistered off in some separate pool where only distance swimmers are allowed.
For some reason it seems like you think that a 2000 yard warmup means a straight 2000 at a slow pace, and this isn't what any of us (or at least me) is advocating. As both Matthias and the workouts I linked from Bob Bowman suggest warmups can and do include some longer swimming, shorter swimming including limited amounts of faster swimming, pulling, kicking, etc.
I'll also point out that the section of Breakthrough Swimming you reference is discussing warmup before a meet, not necessarily in a training session. Also, Colwin does advocate a 20-45 minute warmup which would be around 1300-3000 yards for a typical swimmer. You poo-pooed the notion of doing 20 minutes of warmup earlier in the thread, now all of a sudden you're quoting Colwin who suggests 20 minutes as a minimum!
This is because when I pointed out that warmup for sprinters must be somewhat different from warmup for distance swimmers, you explicitly said sprinters and distance swimmers warmup the same way. Never in any place previously (until NOW we are talking about sets) did you mention that the warm up should be done in sets and sprinters do shorter sets even in warmup. You insisted that although sprinters do shorter sets in real training, they warmup the same way as distance swimmers. Now we know that is not true.
In any case, I have had enough with this discussion. If you had truly wanted to be helpful and if you had truly been knowledgeble about how sprinters warmup, you would have pointed out how it's done the moment the question was raised. But all you did was bragging about how many yards you can swim and getting pissed when others suggested it is POSSIBLE (just POSSIBLE) that you could be wrong about sprint warmup.
The good thing is, if you hadn't been so busy asserting that you are right and any different opinions are wrong, I probably wouldn't have been motivated to look things up. Others that had given useful information in this discussion might not have felt motivated to respond. So, thank you and good luck with your ego.
Originally posted by knelson
This is a ridiculous and offensive statment. What makes you think we don't know how sprinters train? It's not like we're cloistered off in some separate pool where only distance swimmers are allowed.
For some reason it seems like you think that a 2000 yard warmup means a straight 2000 at a slow pace, and this isn't what any of us (or at least me) is advocating. As both Matthias and the workouts I linked from Bob Bowman suggest warmups can and do include some longer swimming, shorter swimming including limited amounts of faster swimming, pulling, kicking, etc.
I'll also point out that the section of Breakthrough Swimming you reference is discussing warmup before a meet, not necessarily in a training session. Also, Colwin does advocate a 20-45 minute warmup which would be around 1300-3000 yards for a typical swimmer. You poo-pooed the notion of doing 20 minutes of warmup earlier in the thread, now all of a sudden you're quoting Colwin who suggests 20 minutes as a minimum!
This is because when I pointed out that warmup for sprinters must be somewhat different from warmup for distance swimmers, you explicitly said sprinters and distance swimmers warmup the same way. Never in any place previously (until NOW we are talking about sets) did you mention that the warm up should be done in sets and sprinters do shorter sets even in warmup. You insisted that although sprinters do shorter sets in real training, they warmup the same way as distance swimmers. Now we know that is not true.
In any case, I have had enough with this discussion. If you had truly wanted to be helpful and if you had truly been knowledgeble about how sprinters warmup, you would have pointed out how it's done the moment the question was raised. But all you did was bragging about how many yards you can swim and getting pissed when others suggested it is POSSIBLE (just POSSIBLE) that you could be wrong about sprint warmup.
The good thing is, if you hadn't been so busy asserting that you are right and any different opinions are wrong, I probably wouldn't have been motivated to look things up. Others that had given useful information in this discussion might not have felt motivated to respond. So, thank you and good luck with your ego.
