Given the new FINA/NCAA/ USA/USMS rule changes related to the breaststroke pullouts/turns have people out there figured out WHEN to introduce the now allowed dolphin kick for maximum advantage.
My only input, and not a very detailed one at that, is from daughter who is freshman at a DIV III swimming power. She told them they are introducing the dolphin during the pulldown phase "at about the point" when people were formerly DQ'd for illegal dolphin. She claimed it was "hard to explain", this by the way from an English major, and so I'm not taking this description at 100% of face value. I presume though she meant at the finish of the pull phase when the body can go into a natural dolphin.
What is the current practice?
BTW, I did notice that the Div III A times for the breaststroke events are significantly faster this year but the B times are just about unchanged. I guess they are worried that the new kick might result in much faster times.
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Originally posted by breastroker
Good arguments Connie, you must have learned much from that coach of yours
:cool:
As much as I talk, it's amazing I have time to listen, huh? ;)
He's not only a coach, he's an official too, and I pick his brain all the time.
Your typical curious cat.
Fritz:
If I remember what the rule said (from yesterday)
The feet need to point outwards during the propulsive phase of the kick. Wouldn't that make for one goofy looking dolphin kick?
Also, my coaches tell me that when you dive in too deep on the breaststroke (not at the pullout, but during normal stroke phase) you're wasting too much time going up and down, rather then forward.
Here's what I'm thinking, during a certain phase of the pulllout, your body is already in a position and depth to add a dolphin kick for the little extra umph, and benefit from it.
During the normal stroke cycle, I wonder if trying to get to that body position where thet little dolphin actually helps would take more effort (and slowdown) then it's worth. Break the rythm maybe? Just sounds very awkward. I could be wrong, as I'm not THE breaststroker.
Maybe one of our snazzy breaststrokers can try it, and tell us how it works. Wayne, isn't it about time you got back in the water? ;)
Originally posted by breastroker
Good arguments Connie, you must have learned much from that coach of yours
:cool:
As much as I talk, it's amazing I have time to listen, huh? ;)
He's not only a coach, he's an official too, and I pick his brain all the time.
Your typical curious cat.
Fritz:
If I remember what the rule said (from yesterday)
The feet need to point outwards during the propulsive phase of the kick. Wouldn't that make for one goofy looking dolphin kick?
Also, my coaches tell me that when you dive in too deep on the breaststroke (not at the pullout, but during normal stroke phase) you're wasting too much time going up and down, rather then forward.
Here's what I'm thinking, during a certain phase of the pulllout, your body is already in a position and depth to add a dolphin kick for the little extra umph, and benefit from it.
During the normal stroke cycle, I wonder if trying to get to that body position where thet little dolphin actually helps would take more effort (and slowdown) then it's worth. Break the rythm maybe? Just sounds very awkward. I could be wrong, as I'm not THE breaststroker.
Maybe one of our snazzy breaststrokers can try it, and tell us how it works. Wayne, isn't it about time you got back in the water? ;)
