Nationals Relays

I am not sure where this thread is going but here is my spin on the General Rules as it applies to the XI FINA World Masters Championships. Let me comment on hornhead's spin: GR 2.2 is lacking in clarity as it only refers to clubs, but since clubs are a collection of individuals it should follow that individuals shall not be admitted by a Member while simultaneously being affiliated to another Member. In other words you have to give up your affiliation with one Member in order to become affiliated with another. Multiple affiliation is not permitted. The Rule says "A Member shall not admit to its membership any club affiliated to another member." A member is a federation such as US Aquatic Sports. A club is a normal club, so what it says is that USMS (a member of USAS) shall not admit a club that is a member of Canadian Swimming. There IS NO EXTENSION. If it is not in the rules it does not apply. You do not have to give up your affiliation with one Federation to become affiliated with another. Clubs would, but individuals do not. GR 2.3 is pretty clear. You have to actually live/reside in the country in order to be affiliated to the Member or apply to FINA under GR 2.7 for change of affiliation. The rule says A competitor of one Member joining a club of another Member and participating in the compeitions of the latter shall be regarded as coming with in the jurisdiction of the latter So a competitor who is member of the Swiss Federation joins a club of the US Federation. At that point the competitor is under the jurisdiction of the US federation. The rule says nother about actually live/reside in the country in order to be affiliated. Another example, you are a member of USMS and join the Peace Corps. You are in Lesotho and in order to swim in their meets you have to be a member of the Lesotho Swimming Association. When you swim in Masaru you are under the rules of the Lesotho Swimming Association, when the swimmer returns to the United States, the swimmer is under the rules of USMS if the competitor is swimming for a USMS club. The competitor could also swim for the Lesotho club. GR 7 only applies to swimmers with sports nationalities, it does not apply to Masters swimmers. Please review MGR 3 Individual entries shall only be accepted from persons represnting clubs. No swimmer or team my be disignated as representing a country or Federation. That is my view, but if anyone has specific questions, I will be meeting with the FINA Masters Committee in November to discuss many things affecting the World Championships. Also if you think that this is incorrect, and want to file an protest a person belonging to dual federations at the World Championships, you have also include the equalivant of 100 Swiss Francs (about $81.00) with your protest. The matter would be decided by the FINA Masters Committee. michael moore, president Local Organizing Committee XI FINA World Master Championships Stanford, California

I am not sure where this thread is going but here is my spin on the General Rules as it applies to the XI FINA World Masters Championships. Let me comment on hornhead's spin: GR 2.2 is lacking in clarity as it only refers to clubs, but since clubs are a collection of individuals it should follow that individuals shall not be admitted by a Member while simultaneously being affiliated to another Member. In other words you have to give up your affiliation with one Member in order to become affiliated with another. Multiple affiliation is not permitted. The Rule says "A Member shall not admit to its membership any club affiliated to another member." A member is a federation such as US Aquatic Sports. A club is a normal club, so what it says is that USMS (a member of USAS) shall not admit a club that is a member of Canadian Swimming. There IS NO EXTENSION. If it is not in the rules it does not apply. You do not have to give up your affiliation with one Federation to become affiliated with another. Clubs would, but individuals do not. GR 2.3 is pretty clear. You have to actually live/reside in the country in order to be affiliated to the Member or apply to FINA under GR 2.7 for change of affiliation. The rule says A competitor of one Member joining a club of another Member and participating in the compeitions of the latter shall be regarded as coming with in the jurisdiction of the latter So a competitor who is member of the Swiss Federation joins a club of the US Federation. At that point the competitor is under the jurisdiction of the US federation. The rule says nother about actually live/reside in the country in order to be affiliated. Another example, you are a member of USMS and join the Peace Corps. You are in Lesotho and in order to swim in their meets you have to be a member of the Lesotho Swimming Association. When you swim in Masaru you are under the rules of the Lesotho Swimming Association, when the swimmer returns to the United States, the swimmer is under the rules of USMS if the competitor is swimming for a USMS club. The competitor could also swim for the Lesotho club. GR 7 only applies to swimmers with sports nationalities, it does not apply to Masters swimmers. Please review MGR 3 Individual entries shall only be accepted from persons represnting clubs. No swimmer or team my be disignated as representing a country or Federation. That is my view, but if anyone has specific questions, I will be meeting with the FINA Masters Committee in November to discuss many things affecting the World Championships. Also if you think that this is incorrect, and want to file an protest a person belonging to dual federations at the World Championships, you have also include the equalivant of 100 Swiss Francs (about $81.00) with your protest. The matter would be decided by the FINA Masters Committee. michael moore, president Local Organizing Committee XI FINA World Master Championships Stanford, California