Connie asked “So, which direction does USMS want to take to contribute in trying to remedy this situation?” And without seeming completely ignorant, of which situation specifically do you speak?
Are you talking about club situations or LMSC/national operations situations? It appears the situation of which you speak deals with how clubs are managed and operated. Am I missing something? If this is an endemic club issue then USMS someone should ask USMS to officially look into this. My concern is that USMS does not have the manpower to mediate on behalf of each club and that most clubs aren’t to keen on mandates from the national office (as occurs in USA-Swimming).
Connie providing improved products and service to USMS clubs and members is extremely important to me. And I’d be very interested in hearing any solutions that will help our clubs.
Originally posted by Paul Smith
You go girl!!!
PS: some folks need to slow down and carefully read peoples posts and try and have an open mind! Strong solutions come from strong debates........and remember ITS NOT PERSONAL!
oh, don't encourage me :p, I cause enough trouble just on my own.
Uh-oh, I think I saw Michael and Hugh moore and lynn hazelwood and couple other names all reading this forum about 30 min ago.
I thave a feeling my posting privileges are about to be yanked.
I probably said too much.
yea, yea ;) you say that now...
But you're not coming to the convention
*sniffle* *sniffle*
You know, my vote, no matter how loud or annoying only gets to count for ONE!
Originally posted by Conniekat8
Originally posted by MegSmath
For example, something Kevin and a number of people here doesn't know about Mission Viejo Nadadores is that several years ago the City did sone to the effect of: stopped helping support it, turned it into a foundation, and made an ultimatum, it's either going to support itself, or it's closing down.
I am aware of the situation as are many others.
Please avoid using examples like the one above that make false assumptions. I'm sure there are a few who don't know the local situation, but I am not one of them. At this point I just want to cut my losses and move on.
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I am very proud to have initiated this heated debate on marketing.
Hopefully, this will help make me eligible for the next years prestigous "Most Controversial (Annoying) Thread Award."
:-)
John Smith
originally posted by GoodSmith
I am very proud to have initiated this heated debate on marketing.
Hopefully, this will help make me eligible for the next years prestigous "Most Controversial Thread Award."
Wait a second John.......I believe the exact wording of the award category suggested in the other thread (i.e. the thread titled something like "Momentous Landmarks Coming Soon") was something like "Most annoying thread starter"......I personally kinda like the ring of the word "annoying" a little better than "controversial" for that category...but then again that's just me....and I'm just a shallow bitter old man anyway.
Newmastersswimmer
OK, so now that heads seem to be a little more level, I agree with a lot of Connie's more recent posts. I'm in no way opposed to the growth of masters swimming, but this growth needs to be managed effectively. Just increasing the membership is clearly not the answer. That was my original point and sorry if I helped this thread go off on a few ill-advised tangents! I have no problems with my membership fees going to the advocacy of masters swimming, just not growth for growth's sake alone.
P.S.: Jim, I think what Peter was trying to say is that everyone's just trying to make masters swimming mo' better :)
Originally posted by Conniekat8
Okay. maybe I'm little naive, but isn't it kind of implied that we want to do things in a reasonable and effective manner?
Who in their right mind would want to push for something dysfunctional???
No one wants to do things dysfunctional. The reality, though, is sometimes things end up that way. For example publishing a lot of print ads and creating a USMS TV commercial will definitely get the word out, but they won't solve several of the issues we've been discussing for the last few pages of this thread. I think you said you were involved in real estate development in some capacity (sorry if I'm wrong). This would be analogous to building a huge new housing development with a single two-lane road as the only way in or out of the development.
Originally posted by aquageek
This is where having a poor attention span comes in handy. Trying to decipher this manifesto just takes too darn long.
That must be how I get away with saying what I say... noone reads all of it ;)
