Latest L. Armstrong controversy

Originally posted by Damage Inc Guilty until proven inocent. Thats the Tour de France and the French press. This isn't exactly guilty until proven innocent. He flunked the first test. He has the oppotunity to have his second sample tested now, as I understand it. Someone told me this morning his ratio was 11:1 - is that in fact true?

I'm sure there's a simple, logical explanation for his test result. Like, say, injecting himself with a banned substance.

Here's a link to one of the best articles I've read on the subject of doping (and pertinent to this discussion): www.gladwell.com/.../2001_08_10_a_drug.htm

I wsa talking this morning, I might have been wrong but did some one else test positive for testosterone during the Tour de France?

It's been announced that Justin Gatlin, co-World Recordholder in the 100 meter dash, who trains here in Raleigh NC, tested positive for steroids. His coach, Trevor Graham, publicly blames Sport Capitol's (unnamed) masseuse, who he states had a vendetta against Gatlin. I do not personally know Mr. Gatlin, (though I'd like to meet him) but from every report he is honest and a crusader for "clean" sport. I really hope that he is innocent. It may be Pollyanna-like of me, but I want to believe that Justin Gatlin and Floyd Landis are clean. At that level of scrutiny, it continues to amaze me that others (not Gatlin and Landis, mind you) continue to try to outwit the control agencies. Having said that, I also sincerely believed Mr. Clinton (Bill, not George) when he told us that he "didn't have sex with that woman. Ms. Lewinsky". I suppose I am too trusting a soul.

"What did for me—supplying drugs solely for the purpose of increasing my athletic prowess—is not illegal, but it would certainly be frowned on by many of his colleagues." From the website of the North Carolina Medical Board: "The use of anabolic steroids, testosterone and its analogs, human growth hormone, human chorionic gonadotrophin, other preparations with anabolic properties, or autotransfusion in any form, to enhance athletic performance or muscle development for cosmetic, nontherapeutic reasons, in the absence of an established disease or deficiency state, is not a medically valid use of these medications. The use of these medications under these conditions will subject the person licensed by the Board to investigation and potential sanctions." Could explain why he doesn't allow his real name to be used in the article.

Originally posted by jonblank Having said that, I also sincerely believed Mr. Clinton (Bill, not George) when he told us that he "didn't have sex with that woman. Ms. Lewinsky". I suppose I am too trusting a soul. It's o.k. It just all depends on what your definition of is is.:D

Here's another interesting article about doping: outside.away.com/.../200311_drug_test_1.html

Originally posted by knelson Here's another interesting article about doping: outside.away.com/.../200311_drug_test_1.html Very interesting. One thing I didn't realize before reading this was how much these drugs "assist" with recovery.

Kirk: Thanks for the great long article. Some of that stuff I never heard of and should be contibuted to the Hall of Shame website that has detailed history off all of this.