I am interested if anyone could shed some light on citizenship/resident requirements in relation to National/USMS relay records. Is it possible for a record setting relay with one or more members of that relay, not being a US citizen(s) or even a resident(s), to be recognized as such?
Originally posted by Peter Cruise
As far as I know, there is no nationality requirement- there are pernicious Canadians infiltrating as we speak; you can usually tell by their refusal to drink the diluted, tasteless swill you call beer.
Now them is fightin' words. At least we can enjoy our bad beer while eating a steak from a cow that isn't infected with mad cow.
And, btw, adding sugar to whisky doesn't make it drinkable.
The way I see it. If I can put up with someone beating me who went to a Division III school like UCSB, I can probably put up with foreigners competing at USMS nationals.....:-)
National records........ are a different matter. A US Masters national record should be eligible for US citizens only. Make another category like "US Open" if you want foreigners to be recognized in the US for national best times.
Then again..... it's just masters swimming. The beer is more important in the end.
John Smith
I'm sure the Texmex cuisine and margaritas are outstanding in the land of ridiculous real estate rates.
Careful or I really will buy that vacant lot next to you up in the mountains..... peace and quiet will be no more.
John Smith
As far as I know, there is no nationality requirement- there are pernicious Canadians infiltrating as we speak; you can usually tell by their refusal to drink the diluted, tasteless swill you call beer.
If you were to move to a US Open- US Citizen record-keeping system, I'm sure it would be fair & just, but might inspire a revolt from registrars & record keepers (molto extra work). Would you require evidence of citizenship with membership?
Originally posted by aquageek
Is there a nationality requirement for USMS membership?
I don't believe there is.
Our local registrars should be the ones who can tell us for sure.
Apparently the San Diego group actively recruited for these relays. I asked Scott Lautman why he was representing SDSM (he lives in Seattle) and it was because the San Diego group recruited him at the World Masters Games in Edmonton.
Skip,
Where did you get the impression that a USMS member could not hold a membership in another Masters Swimming NGB? Is this a FINA rule, because it is most definitely not a USMS rule. USMS rules prohibit members from concurrently holding 2 USMS memberships, but NOT from holding membership in, for instance, USMS and Canada Masters.
If Scott Laufman swam World Masters registered with PNA he could not properly been SDSM. If he moved to San Diego after SCY or something,then fine. This does seem a ringer relay. Anyone have some inside info?
Rob:
What I meant to say is that it is greatly discouraged to hold memberships in two FINA member federations. Many years ago I knew a swimmer who was contacted by the USMS Top Ten Chair because they had swims in the Top Ten for both the countries of the USA and Canada. They were told to choose one federation in the future. I never said there is a policy in USMS. "The USMS registration card does not have language forbidding registration if you are registered with another FINA federation."
Perhaps Walt Reid or June Krauser can shed some light on this. I was on the FINA site a couple of weeks ago and they have policy that supports this but I am not sure if Masters swimming was included in the policy and it just covers the other aquatic disciplines. It would seem to me if that we have a policy that discouages this here in USMS for LMSC's and Clubs, why we would not support this same restriction for dual membership in FINA member federations.
I think this issue should be addressed especially with the 2006 Masters World Swimming Championships next year. I personally talked to Rowdy Gaines at the 1992 FINA World Championships and asked him why he represented Japan in 1991. He said at the time he was in Japan he wanted to swim in a Masters meet there but was unregistered in USMS and had to get a Japanese registration to swim in their meet. All of his World Records for that year were listed as Japan.
I know it would be impossible to marshall because all of the FINA federations register swimmers differently and have separate data bases. They also have different eligibility requirements as learned from Paul Smith with his experiences this past year in Australia.
I wonder if there will be massive recruiting going on before the meet at Stanford. Just think, you could contact the best masters swimmers in the world and break all of the available relay records. Right now from what your saying Rob, this could be done and is perfectly legal.
