How many yards a practice do you swim?

Originally posted by art_z Its amazing that certain individuals rag on others here about their times. That was fun to do in high school but I guess some of us never outgrow that mentality. :rolleyes: It's fun now.

Originally posted by Sam Perry What about my quote? ... I don't care if you are a late bloomer or started swimming out of the womb. I am so sick of the fact you see anyone who calls you on an outrageous statement... ... That BillS wrote the uncalled for "...looking up quotes from obscure swimming training reference materials to post...". That was strike number one, it wasn't calling on an outrageous statement that I wrote yet, I haven't written here yet, it was uncalled for to put down striving for higher learning. Then BillS wrote "...he whose name must not be mentioned...", strike number two, prodding me, again uncalled for on an outrageous statement by me, because I haven't written here yet. After two strikes, I countered BillS. Originally posted by Sam Perry ... If you are talking times, get over the speed comparisons, someone is always going to be faster than you (or me for that matter) unless you hold the world record, you have NO room to talk. ... Did you hear this, skip? It applies best to your post below, where you bring for the first time in this discussion the "...speed comparisons..." criteria: Originally posted by Frank Thompson Sam: The last part of the statement "You can't do much about it, its in the genetics" could be applied to the person that made it judging from the 2:47.52 time in the 200 Free at the 2005 Long Course Nationals. I replied to skip with my: Originally posted by Sam Perry ... someone is always going to be faster than you... ...

Originally posted by aquageek Poor technique and lack of speed are two that come quickly to mind. Sorry, Capt. Moderator, if someone tees it up right in front of me, I have trouble resisting taking a swing. You say that I have poor technique but you never saw me. You parrot what someone said, and I discredited that. I made this point before, but you are looking for your brainless fight, again. As for lack of speed, looks like geekson did 2:03.13 at the 2003 Short Course Nationals in Tempe. For a former age group swimmer, that is lack of speed. And for a late bloomer, my 2:09.11 this year is lots of speed. gull80 explained this to you many times, and you look for your brainless fight, again. I hear you cannot break 12:30.00 in 1000 yards free. And please no hypocrisy here from the ones who oohs and aahs about me bringing times for comparison, it's Frank Thompson and aquageek who bring times for comparisons, me I counter them.

Originally posted by jswim Yes I agree, you can see a pattern emerge when reading archived posts. But... why drive yourselves crazy arguing? It seems like the point of this forum is to share our love of swimming, learn, and have some fun. But critisizing someone for not being as fast as you, or insulting someone's intelligence, style, etc... defeats that purpose completely, and only ends up ballooning into a huge argument that's beholden to 4 year olds. (I suppose you could say it does keep things spicey though right?! ) :rolleyes: cheers and peace! Very true, and this forum is almost always like that, until a certain person shows up. :) now back to the thread name, all I have time for is 2500 yards, by making my daughter go into town early for her practice. She will bring her sketch book and draw while I get my laps in before the kids take over.

No, not at all. I started swimming at 28, and with that my times are fast, two lifetime bests in 2005. My lifetime bests are in the range of swimming that full time swimmers in age group swimming, do. My swimming is more impressive than the swimming by someone who peaked at 20, while in the window of best aerobic and physiological development, materially sheltered in school by parents, then degrades to times that now are still fast compared to late bloomers like me but slow when compared to that person's peak. Someone like that has no dignity to degrade oneself, when becoming a self-supporting adult.

Originally posted by art_z I guess it could be if you were the fastest guy here, since you're not, you look a little silly, dontcha think? He's special ;)

Originally posted by aquageek Let me set the record very straight here Beza. Frist, feel free to PM me if you want the truth about my times from 2.5 years ago. I've been happily discussing them with Paul Smith for tips privately, and am trying to put them to good use. Second, I have never competed in the 1000 free in my entire life, NEVER so I have no times to post for that. Third, I was never an age grouper, never. I swam summer league from age 7 to 14. That's six weeks a year of swimming for 1 hour a day, no weekends. I took up swimmng seriously at age 30, two weeks after I had my appendix out and was crawling down the stairs to my garage to have a cigarette and realized maybe a change of life habits would be beneficial. Lastly, I don't feel the need to handicap my results with various excuses such as, oh, late bloomer, poor pitiful immigrant story, V02Max,etc. Every USMS swimmer has a compelling story. Unfortunately, yours is the only one we are constantly subjected to. Ahh, but geekson, talk to gull again about the window for best aerobic development. As for you not competing in the 1000, it doesn't matter, competing or training, you cannot break 12:30 in the 1000.

Originally posted by art_z Very well said .... and most of us know that excuses are like a.......s , everyone has one, and they all stink. You confuse facts with excuses. Facts like taming conditions and achieving thru them. That's my swimming. I doubt you can train like I train, in the intervals that I do every day, 52 weeks per year, then make lifetime bests in meets, I think you will bring one stinking excuse within days.

Originally posted by gull80 I'm surprised no one has brought up the issue of how much yardage is sufficient. I suppose it depends on your goals. I have found that I seem to require a lot of warmup, including a "pre set" before the main set. In the past year my times remained unchanged, which my daughter tells me is an indication of improvement since I am a year older (but didn't get slower). So does that mean I need more yardage to lower my times, or should I just swim the same sets at a faster pace or with a faster interval? How do you know if you have reached some sort of limit in terms of improvement? Great question!

Good question, because as we get older, it also takes longer to recover, so if you add more yardage and more intensity, does that mean you are hurting yourself more because you wear yourself down and risk injury? I know there is this fine line for me when I am working out, that I risk injury. When I say working out, it is not just swimming but a combination of things. In August I experimented and really pushed my threshhold with very good results in my fitness level and weight loss efforts. However, in September, I started to have a little more back issues on the few days I allowed for rest to recover from August's intensity. Does this mean I should have kept up the intensity, nope, because I was really tired from the work I did in August and really needed the rest. It does mean I have to figure out how to protect my weak areas, if I am going to push the envelope again, which I will probably do from time to time.