I tried doing a search in the forums on this and couldn't find anything. I am curious to know how many yards people in Masters are swimming a practice. I swim on average 3000-4000 yards a practice, 3 times a week.
Originally posted by Ion Beza
and there are no other possible circumstances for my 2:47?
Poor technique and lack of speed are two that come quickly to mind.
Sorry, Capt. Moderator, if someone tees it up right in front of me, I have trouble resisting taking a swing.
Originally posted by Ion Beza
It's fun now.
I guess it could be if you were the fastest guy here, since you're not, you look a little silly, dontcha think?
Let me set the record very straight here Beza.
Frist, feel free to PM me if you want the truth about my times from 2.5 years ago. I've been happily discussing them with Paul Smith for tips privately, and am trying to put them to good use.
Second, I have never competed in the 1000 free in my entire life, NEVER so I have no times to post for that.
Third, I was never an age grouper, never. I swam summer league from age 7 to 14. That's six weeks a year of swimming for 1 hour a day, no weekends. I took up swimmng seriously at age 30, two weeks after I had my appendix out and was crawling down the stairs to my garage to have a cigarette and realized maybe a change of life habits would be beneficial.
Lastly, I don't feel the need to handicap my results with various excuses such as, oh, late bloomer, poor pitiful immigrant story, V02Max,etc. Every USMS swimmer has a compelling story. Unfortunately, yours is the only one we are constantly subjected to.
Originally posted by aquageek
Lastly, I don't feel the need to handicap my results with various excuses such as, oh, late bloomer, poor pitiful immigrant story, V02Max,etc. Every USMS swimmer has a compelling story. Unfortunately, yours is the only one we are constantly subjected to.
Very well said .... and most of us know that excuses are like a.......s , everyone has one, and they all stink.
Ion:
I don't know what the possible circumstances are of the 200 Free time you did at the Nationals. I never said I was proud of the 3:06.16 that I did and explained the circumstances so that it didn't look as bad as it did. You did the same thing explaining the 2:29.85 that you did this past year which is about 10 seconds faster than the 2:39.60 you did at the last LC Nationals that you swam the event in 2002, in Cleveland. The fact that you went almost 10 seconds faster this year and not 8 seconds slower is something you should be proud of.
Again, the reason I made the statement was that you attacked Bill S with an outrageous statement "You can't do much about it, its in the genetics" which was uncalled for and he did not derserve that. That statement is full of sentiment and lacks supporting data. I made the same outrageous statement about your time in the nationals which did not lack data but was still uncalled for. When you make statements such as these, you are fair game for everyone here.
Ion, you obviously no nothing about summer league. There is no aerobic development going on in summer league, just a lot of sharks and minnows. It is the beginning, beginning of age group swimming. The kids who shine are the ones that are year round club swimmers. The ones that are summer only are not building a base, that is ridiculous. Most summer clubs only swim 25 and 50's in their races, because the kids don't have the aerobic capacity of skill to do more.
Originally posted by Ion Beza
You confuse facts with excuses.
Facts is achieving thru conditions.
Like my swimming.
Sorry, you are confusing swimming with golf, where the concept of a handicap actually matters. See in swimming, when you finish the race, you are either the fastest, and assuming you swam legally, the winner, or you are not. You don't get to get out and argue with the officials that the results need to be changed to reflect the conditions/excuses that you started training later in life, that you ate too much for breakfast, or that your pinky toe got a cramp.
Originally posted by Ion Beza
For example, Artie, a truck driver driving on a slippery road minds about that road's condition.
if there was a auto race in the rain, on slippery roads, all cars get the same conditions, the faster one still wins.
I take what you are saying is you race on the slippery roads, but others (without the long lists of excuses) race on dry ones, so your times, though slower, are actually are more impressive/better and everyone else, to really compete with you, must swim exponentially faster.
hey, what about weight penalties. i'm probably significantly larger than most of my competitors at 240lbs. do i still get at break? or maybe I should put everyone on the same conditions and make them wear lead vests so that we all compete on even terms? its not fair for someone at 180 lbs to race against me.
To be fair, I'd have to give Ion tons of credit. For starting swimming so late in life, he's made tons of improvements.
When I looked through my recent copy of, "USMS Swimmer," it seems focused on people who've been swimming forever, or maybe returned after swimming in high school, college, olympics, etc. Would be nice if there was some focus on those of us who started later in life, especially someone who is able to catch back up.
