I think I'm going to have to disagree a bit with my Longhorn teamates Mr. Commings and The Raz on this subject. It's not good to rely on someone coming out of the woodwork in years to come or simply counting on cycles of ebb and flow over years in the sport.
I have been to many age group meets with my kids the last 4 years. In Georgia, Colorado.... and my home the Great state of Ohio, and enrollment of young boys (ages 8-14) is down further than at any time I can remember in the sport. Gone are the days when I grew up and boys ALWAYS outnumber girls in the sport, and its not merely because more girls are swimming now. It's because boys are interested in other sports..... many of which are easier training sports in my opinion.
This is NOT good for the future of men's swimming. I have a bad feeling the next Michael Phelps will be lured into Soccer or some other sport over the coming years... if not already. Swimming.... particularly the governing body USS.... does NOT do an adequate job marketing the sport to the general public during non Olympic years. We ride too heavily on the success of our Olympic performances in hopes of expanding enrollment, and then every 4 years it dies out quickly. With the added cuts of men's swimming programs in the NCAA Div. I level the growth and continued success of US mens swimming in my opinion is in jeopardy over the next 8-12 years. Michael Phelps is a lucky find for the US. I strongly suggest you take a look at some heat sheets for age group meets in your area. You will likely find that there are about 1/2 to 2/3rds the number of boys heats compared to girls heats in the younger age groups. It's shocking. You're looking at the future of our Olympic team in these reduced heats. You can't rely on a Rowdy Gaines to come into the sport late (like age 13) and dominate especially when the numbers are down so much.
USS needs to find money for a larger national campaign with TV time. Why is it I have NEVER been contacted by USS swimming to donate money?! Why is there NO marketing campaign to solicit funds from ex US swimmers from the past 40 years ?!
In my opinion, this is an all out war against soccer and the evil Big 3 sports. For example...... Australia is hurtin' if you take away their 2 big guns Hacket and Thorpe, there is virtually no one in the pipeline that will take over. The US is in a similar but lessor position. It was truly embarassing that the US had absolutely NO ONE in the 100 free at the Olympics. Let me say it again....
IT WAS TRULY EMBARASSING THAT THE US HAD ABSOLUTELY NO ONE IN THE 100 FREE IN THE FINALS AT THE OLYMPICS !
We should OWN that event ! The 100 free IS United States Swimming. It is our history! Our 400m free relay should NEVER lose at the Olympics or World Games as it is a reflection of depth and speed in our programs.
Face it, our volume of great sprinters are pretty bad right now and thats a reflection of basic athleticism and talent by taking (stealing) "athletes" from other sports with raw speed. Gary Hall saved his butt and the US in the 50 free at Greece, but let's face it, he's an archeology find and not a reflection of up an coming talent. We're relying on someone that probably peaked 2 Olympics ago in the sprints.
The picture is not good for the growth of US men's swimming, and we definitely need to do something about it.
John Smith
Parents
Former Member
Originally posted by aquageek
I know a whole lot more than 10 young men. None think swimming is a "gay" sport. What is a gay sport by the way? Do they also think Lance Armstrong and cycling is "gay" because they wear tight little outfits also? What about football and their tight little pants, do they find that gay also? Let's not forget that baseball might also be a gay sport because their pants are usually tight. Same for all track and field.
Please don't assume your limited experience with a tiny group of boys is indicative of all youth. It would help if you could substantiate your claim of homophobia by passing along studies that bear this out, not your small isolated sample of personal experience.
I think to boys is a pretty big sample especially since they all have basically the same conclusion. They don't think football is a gay sport. I think underneath their opinions are true, society-wide ideas about homophobia in young men. I haven't seen any studies about homophobia in young men. I can tell you that from there attitudes, to me, there seems to be a real misunderstanding about swimming and sexually that is probably held by a large number of boys in there early to midteens.
All of these boys live in a university town where there is no team in the uniersity but all of the high schools have very strong teams including the small and new Catholic schoool. Plus the Y has had a strong influence on swimming inthe community for at least twenty years. Because of this, I thought it odd that they had such negative attitudes towards swimmers & swimming. I've asked them why they think this, and they almost all echoe the attitudes and dedication of the boys they know who swim, the way boys look in speedos, and the way swimmers' parents are constantly talking about their hard working kids. I will say that all of these boys are very good baseball players and are on at least onetraveling team and one league team.
I think this would be a great study. If you woudl liek to fund, I'll do it.
Originally posted by aquageek
I know a whole lot more than 10 young men. None think swimming is a "gay" sport. What is a gay sport by the way? Do they also think Lance Armstrong and cycling is "gay" because they wear tight little outfits also? What about football and their tight little pants, do they find that gay also? Let's not forget that baseball might also be a gay sport because their pants are usually tight. Same for all track and field.
Please don't assume your limited experience with a tiny group of boys is indicative of all youth. It would help if you could substantiate your claim of homophobia by passing along studies that bear this out, not your small isolated sample of personal experience.
I think to boys is a pretty big sample especially since they all have basically the same conclusion. They don't think football is a gay sport. I think underneath their opinions are true, society-wide ideas about homophobia in young men. I haven't seen any studies about homophobia in young men. I can tell you that from there attitudes, to me, there seems to be a real misunderstanding about swimming and sexually that is probably held by a large number of boys in there early to midteens.
All of these boys live in a university town where there is no team in the uniersity but all of the high schools have very strong teams including the small and new Catholic schoool. Plus the Y has had a strong influence on swimming inthe community for at least twenty years. Because of this, I thought it odd that they had such negative attitudes towards swimmers & swimming. I've asked them why they think this, and they almost all echoe the attitudes and dedication of the boys they know who swim, the way boys look in speedos, and the way swimmers' parents are constantly talking about their hard working kids. I will say that all of these boys are very good baseball players and are on at least onetraveling team and one league team.
I think this would be a great study. If you woudl liek to fund, I'll do it.
