This is my first new thread so be gentle:-)!!
I'm curious as the how the new FINA rules will be introduced into USMS. I heard that there was legislation passed that USMS would adopt all FINA/USA Swimming rule changes? I received the following email information from a coaching friend of mine and thought I'd see if anyone was talking about it on the USMS Forums but didn't find anything?
SWIMMING
During the breaststroke start and turns, while the swimmer is wholly
submerged, a single downward dolphin kick followed by a breaststroke kick
is permitted. The new rule ends decades of controversies (the first one
occurred in Berlin, in 1978, at the World Championships, the latest last
year in Athens, at the Olympics).
The backstroke finish rule has officially been clarified. Now it is legal
for a swimmer to be completely submerged not only during the turn but also
during the last stroke.
Also in backstroke, swimmers are now allowed to start with their feet out
of the water. It is no more mandatory that "The feet, including the toes,
shall be under the surface of the water"
Thoughts???
PS Have tried to find the information concerning these rule changes on both USA Swimming's and FINA's sites but to no avail...
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Originally posted by darekh
First off thanks to all of you for your input, I thought there was a link between FINA rule changes and USMS.
As for the breaststroke question that has come up. Here's the way I see it (and will probably coach it). My belief is that the fly kick comes from the shoulders anyhow, so as the pull passes the shoulders they will make a downward force of the shoulders which puts the legs in the position for a downward kick. As for the upward motion, I believe the reason that wasn't seen in the case of the Japanese swimmer is that his knees break to begin his first breaststroke kick, which makes it look like one motion when it's actually incompassing the upward motion also.
On another note, I understand about the toes on backstroke but how is someone going to judge that in a pool with gutters. It makes sense in an elite competition with the timing pads up on the deck but in a regular pool, if my toes are out of the water, they are going to be on the gutter and I'm going to get one heck of a better start. So, technically if we're not using the gutter then our toes still have to be under water, ugh!!!
Thoughts??
But doesn't the first downward kick have to be the start of the stroke. therefore, you'd have to either do your start or push, then go directly into a downward kick, do one arm pull and then a *** kick. However, when & how do you get your legs up into position ot do the *** kick without lifting your legs up which would generate soem power. And all of this has to be done in how many yard/meters so that you don't get disqualified for staying underwater for too long.
This is going to be somewthing, I think, that elite swimmers will do but not many masters.
Originally posted by darekh
First off thanks to all of you for your input, I thought there was a link between FINA rule changes and USMS.
As for the breaststroke question that has come up. Here's the way I see it (and will probably coach it). My belief is that the fly kick comes from the shoulders anyhow, so as the pull passes the shoulders they will make a downward force of the shoulders which puts the legs in the position for a downward kick. As for the upward motion, I believe the reason that wasn't seen in the case of the Japanese swimmer is that his knees break to begin his first breaststroke kick, which makes it look like one motion when it's actually incompassing the upward motion also.
On another note, I understand about the toes on backstroke but how is someone going to judge that in a pool with gutters. It makes sense in an elite competition with the timing pads up on the deck but in a regular pool, if my toes are out of the water, they are going to be on the gutter and I'm going to get one heck of a better start. So, technically if we're not using the gutter then our toes still have to be under water, ugh!!!
Thoughts??
But doesn't the first downward kick have to be the start of the stroke. therefore, you'd have to either do your start or push, then go directly into a downward kick, do one arm pull and then a *** kick. However, when & how do you get your legs up into position ot do the *** kick without lifting your legs up which would generate soem power. And all of this has to be done in how many yard/meters so that you don't get disqualified for staying underwater for too long.
This is going to be somewthing, I think, that elite swimmers will do but not many masters.
