Amazing swimming!

Swim teams don't make money for university sports programs. When universities look to cut budgets by dropping sports, men's swimming is right up there, when they compare $ in versus $ out. Women's programs are more insulated because of title IX. when I was in school the UT football program had 90 scholarships, I think the swim team had 11, now i think swimming has 9.9 or some screwy number. It's a real challenge for teams to get great swimmers because they can only afford to hand out a handful of full scholarships. here's a URL that shows current NCAA scholarship limits www.educationplanner.com/.../paying_article.asp Ande Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com It is very disappointing that the University of Illinois has no men's swim team. The women are great. For those of you who have any doubt - Title IX is not responsible for men's teams being done away with. Some of the other state universities in Illinois have both. Basketball is not the only sport!!!!!!

Ande, It’s an interesting comparison of NCAA 2004-2005 Total Annual Scholarship Limits on the link you supplied. However it should be noted that the site incorrectly listed the Division I women’s limit at 8.1. 8.1 is the limit for Division II men’s or women’s. The Division I limit for women’s swimming is 14.

A couple of friends of ours we're at the meet (ex gators) and talking to his coach, get this......he was still putting in 6000+ morning workouts during the meet! NCAA's is going to (as always) be interesting to say the least!

dang that's impressive he must not be real rested yet he's gotta be in awesome shape to swim all those events I wonder what he'll taper down to ande Originally posted by Paul Smith A couple of friends of ours we're at the meet (ex gators) and talking to his coach, get this......he was still putting in 6000+ morning workouts during the meet! NCAA's is going to (as always) be interesting to say the least!

Ought to be a great meet this year. And thank you Skip for the calendar dates. Short course yards are alot of fun to watch. ...Those backstroke times are unreal. I bet the poolside cameras will be shooting a great deal of footage from under the surface.

It is very disappointing that the University of Illinois has no men's swim team. The women are great. For those of you who have any doubt - Title IX is not responsible for men's teams being done away with. Some of the other state universities in Illinois have both. Basketball is not the only sport!!!!!!

Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com It is very disappointing that the University of Illinois has no men's swim team. The women are great. For those of you who have any doubt - Title IX is not responsible for men's teams being done away with. Some of the other state universities in Illinois have both. Basketball is not the only sport!!!!!! Or in the case of my university, football was the dominant sport by far. They had a men's swim team at one time, but did away with it. I personally knew several of the swimmers since they were my classmates and dormmates. For years there was no swim team, but then a year or two ago, they added a women's swim team to meet the gender equality in sports requirement. Swimming just doesn't have the same marketing machine as football and basketball. It has been discussed at length in other threads.

Meg Did you know that Daniel Cruz and Ryan Lochte were teamates before college. They both swim for th Datona Beach Club and trained together for the 2004 Olympic Trials. Ryan's father, Steve is the coach. The article in the current issue of Swim Technique "Saving Swimmer Ryan" (my error on the previous post) talks about the training they do in Datona Beach. Daniel is from that area and started swimming late under the coaching of Steve Lochete. Last year swimmng was televised on the main networks more than any other time in history. If you have the basic cable you get the Division I Championships for 3 hours (both Women and Men), the 2004 Olympic Trials for 5 hours, the 2004 Olympics in Athens for XX hours, and the 2004 World Championships from Indy for 11 hours. I don't ever remember swimming being on TV this much. And this does not include College TV or area cable stations that cover Conference and local college swimming. This year I know that ESPN was going to cover the World Championships in Montreal similar to what they covered in Spain in 2003, if there is a meet which looks like there will be. I don't know about the World Championship trials in Indy next month. Probably not because they would already be up on the USA Swimming website. They are going to televise "Dual In The Pool" part 2 in August of this year from Australia. USA Nationals have not been televised since 2002 in Fort Lauderdale but there were no World Championships or Pan Pac's that year. So I think swimming has come a long away with better coverage than I can remember.

Skip, Thanks so much for the schedule for the NCAAs. Now if I can just remember to program the VCR! I did not know that about Cruz taking the sport up so late. And I officiate all of the UK home meets! Talked to one of the UK coaches the other day, and he said everybody was in awe of Lochte's performance at SECs. Meg

Originally posted by DAP Or in the case of my university, football was the dominant sport by far. They had a men's swim team at one time, but did away with it. I personally knew several of the swimmers since they were my classmates and dormmates. For years there was no swim team, but then a year or two ago, they added a women's swim team to meet the gender equality in sports requirement. Swimming just doesn't have the same marketing machine as football and basketball. It has been discussed at length in other threads. A few years ago, I took a sports marketing class. In the class one of the big points was how our "tastes" in sports have chaged. In the early to mid 1960s, swimming was one of the most televised collegiate sport. I'm in my forties. I remember watchin t between Indiana & Kentucky on tv with my father. Aslo, I think, ABC used to carry nationals every year. You woudl think that wiht allof the sports networks around now, swimmign would be carried more. At Illinois, men's swimming was cut yet there wass no indication that there was inequality witht he number of men/women programs. What is amazing is that young guys will even go into swimming.