Super teams

Former Member
Former Member
What are your thoughts about teams combining for out of LMSC meets (not nationals) and not competing as the same team within the LMSC.
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  • Former Member
    Former Member
    I want to borrow Jerry's soapbox for a minute. He and others have brought up a number of issues regarding the sizes of clubs and superclubs being the same size. I was curious, so I emailed our national database administrator and asked for that information. Using the current 2005 registration numbers, I have divided the clubs into two groups. Superclubs are ones that divide their membership into chapter, teams, workout groups or some other names and compete in these groups within their LMSC, but compete as a combined group at nationals. When in doubt, I looked at the LMSC registrtation forms and posted meet results on their website. This cause me to categorize MOVY and VMST as clubs rather than combined clubs. NEM 1070 CMS 984 METR 921 IM 761 PNA 760 NCMS 603 ARIZ 565 FACT 397 OREG 393 SKY 384 GSM 376 NIAG 376 MICH 328 O*H* 267 GAJA 232 MINN 199 CONN 195 AKMS 104 average superclub size is 495 and the median size is 393 average club size is 114 and the median is 90 (the club numbers were collected only on the top 100 clubs. If we did all clubs, that number drops to a mean of 37) DAM 450 WMAC 367 VMST 357 ISF 303 WCM 299 SDSM 291 TCAM 273 GOLD 267 MARY 243 SLAM 214 USF 204 UCLA 199 MAM 190 SCAM 184 MOVY 181 REDT 167 1776 161 UCI 158 MELO 157 ANCM 157 SPM 152 CRUZ 151 MVM 148 TXLA 146 STAN 145 IAMA 141 NOVA 140 TSUN 135 RINC 133 MESC 128 BMW 123 MVN 122 Observations - combined clubs dominate indepentend clubs in size. On average, there is a difference of over 300 athletes. Only one club , Davis Aquatic Masters is large enough to be listed in the top 13 teams in the country based on size.
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  • Former Member
    Former Member
    I want to borrow Jerry's soapbox for a minute. He and others have brought up a number of issues regarding the sizes of clubs and superclubs being the same size. I was curious, so I emailed our national database administrator and asked for that information. Using the current 2005 registration numbers, I have divided the clubs into two groups. Superclubs are ones that divide their membership into chapter, teams, workout groups or some other names and compete in these groups within their LMSC, but compete as a combined group at nationals. When in doubt, I looked at the LMSC registrtation forms and posted meet results on their website. This cause me to categorize MOVY and VMST as clubs rather than combined clubs. NEM 1070 CMS 984 METR 921 IM 761 PNA 760 NCMS 603 ARIZ 565 FACT 397 OREG 393 SKY 384 GSM 376 NIAG 376 MICH 328 O*H* 267 GAJA 232 MINN 199 CONN 195 AKMS 104 average superclub size is 495 and the median size is 393 average club size is 114 and the median is 90 (the club numbers were collected only on the top 100 clubs. If we did all clubs, that number drops to a mean of 37) DAM 450 WMAC 367 VMST 357 ISF 303 WCM 299 SDSM 291 TCAM 273 GOLD 267 MARY 243 SLAM 214 USF 204 UCLA 199 MAM 190 SCAM 184 MOVY 181 REDT 167 1776 161 UCI 158 MELO 157 ANCM 157 SPM 152 CRUZ 151 MVM 148 TXLA 146 STAN 145 IAMA 141 NOVA 140 TSUN 135 RINC 133 MESC 128 BMW 123 MVN 122 Observations - combined clubs dominate indepentend clubs in size. On average, there is a difference of over 300 athletes. Only one club , Davis Aquatic Masters is large enough to be listed in the top 13 teams in the country based on size.
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