What are your thoughts about teams combining for out of LMSC meets (not nationals) and not competing as the same team within the LMSC.
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Former Member
I want to borrow Jerry's soapbox for a minute. He and others have brought up a number of issues regarding the sizes of clubs and superclubs being the same size. I was curious, so I emailed our national database administrator and asked for that information.
Using the current 2005 registration numbers, I have divided the clubs into two groups. Superclubs are ones that divide their membership into chapter, teams, workout groups or some other names and compete in these groups within their LMSC, but compete as a combined group at nationals. When in doubt, I looked at the LMSC registrtation forms and posted meet results on their website. This cause me to categorize MOVY and VMST as clubs rather than combined clubs.
NEM 1070
CMS 984
METR 921
IM 761
PNA 760
NCMS 603
ARIZ 565
FACT 397
OREG 393
SKY 384
GSM 376
NIAG 376
MICH 328
O*H* 267
GAJA 232
MINN 199
CONN 195
AKMS 104
average superclub size is 495 and the median size is 393
average club size is 114 and the median is 90
(the club numbers were collected only on the top 100 clubs. If we did all clubs, that number drops to a mean of 37)
DAM 450
WMAC 367
VMST 357
ISF 303
WCM 299
SDSM 291
TCAM 273
GOLD 267
MARY 243
SLAM 214
USF 204
UCLA 199
MAM 190
SCAM 184
MOVY 181
REDT 167
1776 161
UCI 158
MELO 157
ANCM 157
SPM 152
CRUZ 151
MVM 148
TXLA 146
STAN 145
IAMA 141
NOVA 140
TSUN 135
RINC 133
MESC 128
BMW 123
MVN 122
Observations - combined clubs dominate indepentend clubs in size. On average, there is a difference of over 300 athletes.
Only one club , Davis Aquatic Masters is large enough to be listed in the top 13 teams in the country based on size.
I want to borrow Jerry's soapbox for a minute. He and others have brought up a number of issues regarding the sizes of clubs and superclubs being the same size. I was curious, so I emailed our national database administrator and asked for that information.
Using the current 2005 registration numbers, I have divided the clubs into two groups. Superclubs are ones that divide their membership into chapter, teams, workout groups or some other names and compete in these groups within their LMSC, but compete as a combined group at nationals. When in doubt, I looked at the LMSC registrtation forms and posted meet results on their website. This cause me to categorize MOVY and VMST as clubs rather than combined clubs.
NEM 1070
CMS 984
METR 921
IM 761
PNA 760
NCMS 603
ARIZ 565
FACT 397
OREG 393
SKY 384
GSM 376
NIAG 376
MICH 328
O*H* 267
GAJA 232
MINN 199
CONN 195
AKMS 104
average superclub size is 495 and the median size is 393
average club size is 114 and the median is 90
(the club numbers were collected only on the top 100 clubs. If we did all clubs, that number drops to a mean of 37)
DAM 450
WMAC 367
VMST 357
ISF 303
WCM 299
SDSM 291
TCAM 273
GOLD 267
MARY 243
SLAM 214
USF 204
UCLA 199
MAM 190
SCAM 184
MOVY 181
REDT 167
1776 161
UCI 158
MELO 157
ANCM 157
SPM 152
CRUZ 151
MVM 148
TXLA 146
STAN 145
IAMA 141
NOVA 140
TSUN 135
RINC 133
MESC 128
BMW 123
MVN 122
Observations - combined clubs dominate indepentend clubs in size. On average, there is a difference of over 300 athletes.
Only one club , Davis Aquatic Masters is large enough to be listed in the top 13 teams in the country based on size.