I don't know what you saw, gull80. The turn was fine and continuous. By the time his hand stopped moving he was flipping. I certainly hope he kicked through the turn, it would be silly not to.
Originally posted by breastroker
For FINA and Masters in fly and breaststroke you do not have to touch on the same plane. You have to touch both hands simultaneously at above or below the waters surface.
Nothing is said about touching at the same level.
The same thing is true for USS and NCAA.
Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com
Something just hit me! There are great differences between FINA/USMS & high school & NCAA. Why? No wonder peole get DQ'ed for what seems like minor faults. the guy who looks at my strokes is a judge for high schools. He is very strict about form. Does he have to be?
The rules for USS and USMS are almost verbatim the same. The only real difference is that USMS allows the breaststroke kick to be used in butterfly, while USS does not.
The rules for FINA are nearly the same as the USS rules, except that they occasionally use a different word to express the same concept.
The rules for NCAA are worded in a significantly different way from the USS, USMS, and FINA rules. Because of the significant differences in how the NCAA rules are worded, it is difficult to define exactly what the differences in meaning are, though it is clear that there are some things that are forbidden by the NCAA rules that would not be forbidden by the USS, USMS, or FINA rules.
If someone has only been trained in refereeing according to NCAA rules, what he says will not be reliable for swimmers who compete in USS, USMS, or FINA competitions.
As for why the NCAA rules are different - well, you'd have to ask NCAA! When USS, USMS, and FINA are all in agreement about the rules, it's hard to see why anyone running swim meets would want to adopt a different set of rules!
Originally posted by Bob McAdams
As for why the NCAA rules are different - well, you'd have to ask NCAA! When USS, USMS, and FINA are all in agreement about the rules, it's hard to see why anyone running swim meets would want to adopt a different set of rules!
Speaking from the viewpoint of someone who spent a decade working in the rarified air of NCAA athletics, the answer to your question is quite obvious. As everyone readily acknowledges, the NCAA is the center of the universe. End of explanation. What is the TRUE mystery (at least to those breathing that rarified air) is why anyone running swim meets would want to adopt a set of rules different than those concocted by the NCAA.
Something just hit me! There are great differences between FINA/USMS & high school & NCAA. Why? No wonder peole get DQ'ed for what seems like minor faults. the guy who looks at my strokes is a judge for high schools. He is very strict about form. Does he have to be?
