Breaststroke turns - how to cheat 101

Speaking of cheating, here's a clip of a backstroker clearly pulling on the lane line in an Olympic final! swimfastest.net/.../mocanu.mpg Don

The turn really does start how it can legally, I think. The motion of the feet are just very smooth and quick. After the turn the small butterfly kick is probably illegal. Doesn't it have something to do with getting power from the top of your foot? But it would be almost impossible to see. That is how people have always cheated in swimming. If you do something Where there is some turbulance but not enough to interfer with speed, it will be done. That is the same with the backstroker. Does anyone know who it is or in what part of the pool it occurred. Almost no one can see something happening in the middle lanes in the middle of the pool.

Sorry for everyone who gets updated automatically. Read Swimming Fastest. He goes on and on about no real advantage to dolphin kicking underwater. From my own experience, I know that there is some power created from doing a dolphin kick off of the wall. However, the mechanics would suggest tht the downward motion would interfer with the backward push of the water. I would like to know if there is any advantage to doing more than one. I've tried one & I've tried 4. I can't tell. Sometimes if I do more than one, it will disurpt my flow into kicking for free to start the stroke. also, something I've noticed with adults who have not swam all of theior lives, as they come off of the wall, they tend to begin to stroke first. Then after one stroke, they will kick. It is hard to convince them that this is one of their biggest mistakes. I think if they watched this video, they might understand the importance of that first kick. With ***, it seems that the dolphin kick would not really disurpt the streamline for the first pull if it were kept small . In the free wouldn't that force you to kick outside of the wave ban? This is something I'm not knowledgeable about to know. What resistance would a big dolphin kick do at the beginning of a stroke after a turn? Also, I was first taught to swim by my father who learned to swim before there was a difference between *** & butterfly. I think that he first raced before there was a butterfly - 1920's. He couldn't teach me the *** because it confused him so much. I hear so many young kids say that their favorite drill is to stroke *** & kick butterfly. It has always seemed to me that this drill teaches how to cheat.

Originally posted by craiglll@yahoo.com That is the same with the backstroker. Does anyone know who it is or in what part of the pool it occurred. Almost no one can see something happening in the middle lanes in the middle of the pool. Women's 100m back, final; Mai Nakamura, Japan (top -- grabbing lane line!), silver medal; Diana Mocanu (second from top), Romania, gold medal, Olympic record. It appears to be at about 10 meters from the wall. Don

I have been looking at bossini2004a.mpeg at swimfastest.net/.../athen...2004.html Kitijima also dolphins on the start, actually dives in with his knees up, as he is entering the water. He then has a huge down kick off that, then the dolphin at the start of the pull down. Check him out at bossini2004a. He is right behind Bossini (black full body) in the white jammers and white cap. Watch from frames 43 to 60, this is the "Magic Surge" that PowerStarts talks about. At frame 43 his legs are at 90 degrees to his body, not exactly what coaches teach for streamline into the dive. Then look at frame 140 where he lifts his legs while in streamline, before the underwater pull starts. He then adds a smaller dolphin between 155 and 170. Talk about a smooth CHEATER. Note he is in clear water the next turn, so from 790 to 1070 he does not dolphin! After all the fuss about his CHEATING in the 100, he still got away with a little dolphin off the start pulldown. Now the "Magic Surge" at http://www.quickgetaway.com/ teaches what Kitajima does off the start, use your steep entry to then surge forwards as you go from nearly a 45 degree angle to the water to parallel to the waters surface. Kitijima adds this huge dolphin kick less than a tenth of a second after his feet hit the water. Because of the splash of entry no one above can see his "Magic Surge". This should be copied by all freestylers and butterfliers as it is legal and gets you ahead of competitors immediately. I am not really sure if this is legal in breaststroke as some would argue that it is a part of the start. But section 101.2.3 (Masters)clearly states a scissors, flutter, or a downward butterfly kick is not permitted. How about the prince of darkness rulling on this?

Here are some still shots of Kitijima's start in the 100m final:

I seem to have hit a limit on number of attachments I can post so I have combined the images into one single image:

So much for the judges. Sad as he could have won without cheating. Your photo is great. He is BUSTED.

Flip turn will always be faster than any open turn. How does the rule define exactly what the *** kick is? this is very confusing to me. I think the abouve statement is good but when does the stroke begin, when does the kick begin? When I was taught *** stroke & when I look at the rules, it seems that the stroke begins at the start with the arms moving outward. Does this mean that anything done before that movement of the arms is not the stroke and should be counted as part of the first stroke? I could see where that could be the interpretation. would it have been legal if he had only done one dolphin then one stroke then had his head break the surface? On the turn, the same questions??????

When I read what breaststroker wrote, some of my ?'s are answered.