Breaststroke turns - how to cheat 101

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Coaches will always tell you on the two short axis strokes of breaststroke and butterfly, never pull into a turn. Always kick into the turn. By adjusting your stroke about 5 meters out, looking at the wall, you will automatically adjust and come into the wall with all the power of the breaststroke kick. But what if you are at the Olympics and you have misjudged the turn. Your kick has finished too far out and you have to pull into the wall. What do you do? Why cheat of course! Check out the mpeg video called bossini2004a.mpeg at swimfastest.net/.../athens2004.html This video of Paolo Bossini and Kitajima in heat 4 of the 200 ***, shows the start of the race, where both Bossini and Kitajima have some loose legs but not actual dolphin kicks like what Kitajima did in the 100. What is interesting is at frames 700-731 (23.357 to 24.358 sec) which distinctly shows a downwards dolphin and eddy to push him (Bossini) into the turn faster. His kick ended at frames 653 (21.788 sec) and he is pulling into a turn, which every breaststroker knows is a no no. So to keep himself up he dolphins into the turn. This is how you cheat at the Olympics:mad: Avery Lee's video processing tool VirtualDub www186.pair.com/.../index.html This will allow you to move the slider and go frame by frame.
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    Sorry for everyone who gets updated automatically. Read Swimming Fastest. He goes on and on about no real advantage to dolphin kicking underwater. From my own experience, I know that there is some power created from doing a dolphin kick off of the wall. However, the mechanics would suggest tht the downward motion would interfer with the backward push of the water. I would like to know if there is any advantage to doing more than one. I've tried one & I've tried 4. I can't tell. Sometimes if I do more than one, it will disurpt my flow into kicking for free to start the stroke. also, something I've noticed with adults who have not swam all of theior lives, as they come off of the wall, they tend to begin to stroke first. Then after one stroke, they will kick. It is hard to convince them that this is one of their biggest mistakes. I think if they watched this video, they might understand the importance of that first kick. With ***, it seems that the dolphin kick would not really disurpt the streamline for the first pull if it were kept small . In the free wouldn't that force you to kick outside of the wave ban? This is something I'm not knowledgeable about to know. What resistance would a big dolphin kick do at the beginning of a stroke after a turn? Also, I was first taught to swim by my father who learned to swim before there was a difference between *** & butterfly. I think that he first raced before there was a butterfly - 1920's. He couldn't teach me the *** because it confused him so much. I hear so many young kids say that their favorite drill is to stroke *** & kick butterfly. It has always seemed to me that this drill teaches how to cheat.
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    Sorry for everyone who gets updated automatically. Read Swimming Fastest. He goes on and on about no real advantage to dolphin kicking underwater. From my own experience, I know that there is some power created from doing a dolphin kick off of the wall. However, the mechanics would suggest tht the downward motion would interfer with the backward push of the water. I would like to know if there is any advantage to doing more than one. I've tried one & I've tried 4. I can't tell. Sometimes if I do more than one, it will disurpt my flow into kicking for free to start the stroke. also, something I've noticed with adults who have not swam all of theior lives, as they come off of the wall, they tend to begin to stroke first. Then after one stroke, they will kick. It is hard to convince them that this is one of their biggest mistakes. I think if they watched this video, they might understand the importance of that first kick. With ***, it seems that the dolphin kick would not really disurpt the streamline for the first pull if it were kept small . In the free wouldn't that force you to kick outside of the wave ban? This is something I'm not knowledgeable about to know. What resistance would a big dolphin kick do at the beginning of a stroke after a turn? Also, I was first taught to swim by my father who learned to swim before there was a difference between *** & butterfly. I think that he first raced before there was a butterfly - 1920's. He couldn't teach me the *** because it confused him so much. I hear so many young kids say that their favorite drill is to stroke *** & kick butterfly. It has always seemed to me that this drill teaches how to cheat.
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