No Crying in Swimming

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Anybody else out there detect out there a petulant tone from Ian Thorpe on the subject of Michael Phelps? Context: Back in 2002, Thorpe was toying with the idea of swimming some non-free events in order to achieve a Spitz-lie medal haul in 2004. People pointed to his background in backstroke and possiblity of swimming IM as possible avenues. He wisely ducked out of backstroke when it became apparent that the 100 back is one of strongest events in the world right now. He then tried to the 200 IM, before Phelps emerged on the scene in late 2002/2003 an event that was dominated by 28 year-old Europeans but then got trounced by Phelps in this event at Worlds. Phelps performance at Worlds in 2003 overshadowed Thorpe and the great Aussie start shelved his plans to branch out. He's now aiming for 200/400 gold and is a darkhouse candidate for 100 gold. Recent Snipes from Thorpe: 1) When asked about the probability of Phelps hauling in multiple medals he retorted it's "impossible" (o.k. that's a defensible position) and further more "no one should even try". (sounds like he's jealous to me). Phelps to his credited responded, "Spitz did it once" and "he's talking about himself not me". 2) Recently when asked if he was worried about Phelps in the 200 free, Thorpe's reply ..."we're worrried about the whoe field". He's not giving Phelps any credit for challenging him in an event that the 19 year old is really the underdog but wants to race it for the challenge and experience. 3) Now Thorpe is smearing the reptuation of his unnamed competitors by claiming that "I've raced against competitors that are using drugs" and "the sport is not clean". What kind of champion is Thorpe? He's not helping our sport with his attitude. Why not welcome the competition and be gracious about it. Why not wish Phelps good luck but tell him that he'll have his hands full beating him in the 200. If he has evidence about illegal drug use why not name names and not hide behind blanket accusations. And let's remind the Thorpedo if Phelps does accomplish his medal haul there is no crying in swimming. BTW, for the record the US men beat the Australian men in all three relays. PS: The Aussie women's team is the strongest ever and will likely beat the US women in 2 of the 3 relays.
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    I AGREE WITH MATT S. BUT.... This swiminfo article is a proganda piece. Yes, FINA could do more about catching drug cheaters (so could the USA and Aussie authorities) but what does that have to do with Thorpe's comments. No one has any problems with complaints about FINA it's his finger-pointing at unnamed competitors that set's everyone off. Then there is Thorpe's recent comments about "performances versus medals" (see NYT, AP and Aussie wire services). This is in response to constant questions about Phelp's medal attempts and questions about Thorpe's medal hopes. Wonder what Thorpe would say if someone asked him why he hasn't set a world record LCM in years and will he be disappointed if he doesn't set a world record at the Olympics? Bet Thorpe changes his tune to it's just about winning the gold. The truth is that Thorpe's seems to be struggling with his image in the swimming world. As a teenager he was a real phenom. He greatly upstaged by Phelps at World Championship. Phelps beat him head-to-head (that doesn't matter though because Thorpe's performance was good) and set multiple world records. Thorpe is a great swimmer. Now we'll see if he's a great competitor....in my mind that's all that counts. He'll have to prove himself a great competitor in Athens to establish his legacy because ultimately Phelps is going to knock down his records in the 200/400 so it really isn't about "performances"
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    I AGREE WITH MATT S. BUT.... This swiminfo article is a proganda piece. Yes, FINA could do more about catching drug cheaters (so could the USA and Aussie authorities) but what does that have to do with Thorpe's comments. No one has any problems with complaints about FINA it's his finger-pointing at unnamed competitors that set's everyone off. Then there is Thorpe's recent comments about "performances versus medals" (see NYT, AP and Aussie wire services). This is in response to constant questions about Phelp's medal attempts and questions about Thorpe's medal hopes. Wonder what Thorpe would say if someone asked him why he hasn't set a world record LCM in years and will he be disappointed if he doesn't set a world record at the Olympics? Bet Thorpe changes his tune to it's just about winning the gold. The truth is that Thorpe's seems to be struggling with his image in the swimming world. As a teenager he was a real phenom. He greatly upstaged by Phelps at World Championship. Phelps beat him head-to-head (that doesn't matter though because Thorpe's performance was good) and set multiple world records. Thorpe is a great swimmer. Now we'll see if he's a great competitor....in my mind that's all that counts. He'll have to prove himself a great competitor in Athens to establish his legacy because ultimately Phelps is going to knock down his records in the 200/400 so it really isn't about "performances"
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