I started diving off of starting blocks when I was eight years old. I am now 51, and train at the Y, almost always alone, as there is no Masters program in the county where I live, or in any of the immediately adjacent counties. (There are several age group programs.) I want to work on my starts, but none of the Y's where I swim will let me use the blocks - saying that a national Y policy prohibits anyone from using the blocks unless a team/club coach is on the deck.
I have never heard of anyone suing a YMCA because of an accident on a starting block.
Yes, perhaps a coach would be valuable to me in this regard, but I'm not looking for a coach - I need and want a cooperative facility. The age groups' program schedules are not conducive to my schedule, and besides, the age group coaches already have enough on their hands during those times with lanes full of kids working their programs. I also am not excited about having to dodge those kids to do the work I need to do.
Anyone find a way to conquer this litigation-fear-induced insanity yet? Thank you.
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Did you seriously read my post, aquageek? aquageek? My point was that the risks I took were reasonable given my reasonable expectations. As such, when things did not work out (in that an accident did happen), I certainly would not sue. In fact, I have never sued anybody or any institution. So much for ad hominum.
But, the condition of McDonalds coffee was not reasonable. I think this woman had a case.
My point was just the opposite of what you say -- I expect McDonalds to live up to a level of responsibility *less* than what I would do myself. I like to think that I would know, before serving boiling coffee to thousands of unknowing people, that bad things would happen, so I would not do it. I don't really expect McDonalds to live up to that level. However, after being told several dozen times that people were being hurt, I do expect McDonalds to change its behavior (before losing a legal case.)
Perhaps you think that corporations are like nature, and suing them is as unreasonble as suing the climate for flood or fire damage? Sorry, they are human institutions and should be expected to act to existing social standards.
By the way, going back to aquatic issues, here are some 20 degree differences:
Open water swim at 45 degrees: can't do it
Open water swim at 65 degrees: OK
swim workout at 80 degrees: OK
swim workout at 100 degrees: *not* OK
coffee at 170 degrees: sippable
coffee at 190 degrees: scalds at touch
Did you seriously read my post, aquageek? aquageek? My point was that the risks I took were reasonable given my reasonable expectations. As such, when things did not work out (in that an accident did happen), I certainly would not sue. In fact, I have never sued anybody or any institution. So much for ad hominum.
But, the condition of McDonalds coffee was not reasonable. I think this woman had a case.
My point was just the opposite of what you say -- I expect McDonalds to live up to a level of responsibility *less* than what I would do myself. I like to think that I would know, before serving boiling coffee to thousands of unknowing people, that bad things would happen, so I would not do it. I don't really expect McDonalds to live up to that level. However, after being told several dozen times that people were being hurt, I do expect McDonalds to change its behavior (before losing a legal case.)
Perhaps you think that corporations are like nature, and suing them is as unreasonble as suing the climate for flood or fire damage? Sorry, they are human institutions and should be expected to act to existing social standards.
By the way, going back to aquatic issues, here are some 20 degree differences:
Open water swim at 45 degrees: can't do it
Open water swim at 65 degrees: OK
swim workout at 80 degrees: OK
swim workout at 100 degrees: *not* OK
coffee at 170 degrees: sippable
coffee at 190 degrees: scalds at touch
