I started diving off of starting blocks when I was eight years old. I am now 51, and train at the Y, almost always alone, as there is no Masters program in the county where I live, or in any of the immediately adjacent counties. (There are several age group programs.) I want to work on my starts, but none of the Y's where I swim will let me use the blocks - saying that a national Y policy prohibits anyone from using the blocks unless a team/club coach is on the deck.
I have never heard of anyone suing a YMCA because of an accident on a starting block.
Yes, perhaps a coach would be valuable to me in this regard, but I'm not looking for a coach - I need and want a cooperative facility. The age groups' program schedules are not conducive to my schedule, and besides, the age group coaches already have enough on their hands during those times with lanes full of kids working their programs. I also am not excited about having to dodge those kids to do the work I need to do.
Anyone find a way to conquer this litigation-fear-induced insanity yet? Thank you.
Originally posted by Scansy
I wonder if the woman had got a to go coffee (at 180degrees) from a small local diner and spilled it on her - would she have sued.
At 180 degrees, she would have had a fighting chance to avoid 3rd degree burns, as opposed to 190 degrees, where she had virtually none.
Originally posted by aquageek
If the over makers are aware their products are too hot for human consumption, should we also sue them when they produce a fine hot pie? So, we are allowed to understand ovens are hot but not coffee?
Geek, have you read your pie box? Last time I checked, it states that contents will be (too) hot, and it tells you how long to wait before consumption. There is nothing on a McDonald's cup that warns that contents are 10-40 degrees hotter than any other hot beverage you would normally get. (You keep equating 1st and 3rd degree burns.)
Connie, good for you, that you take more precautions in more dangerous situations. I also agree that there needs to be more personal accountability in general. The problem is when the situation becomes more dangerous without your knowledge. Precautions that are reasonable for a normal hot beverage, become inadequate at 190 degrees.
Let's try a metaphor. AquaG is practicing his dives, knows how to do a safe start into a 4 ft. deep pool. The markings on the side of the pool say "Shallow water" and "No diving without instructor". Well, it turns out one lane is only 2 ft deep, but because of an optical illusion, looked to be the same depth as the other lanes. No markings or signs to distinguish this special lane from the others. AG cracks his skull and spends time in the hospital. I come along and say, "AG was stupid, he knew the dangers of diving into a shallow pool". Connie comes along, and says that she always slides into the pool, so it is AG's fault for diving at all. Other people come along, and gripe that they won't let anyone start in any of the lanes, because of AG. Would you agree with all of this? Or would you complain (to management) that there should have been some sign that this lane was much shallower than the others?
Originally posted by Scansy
I wonder if the woman had got a to go coffee (at 180degrees) from a small local diner and spilled it on her - would she have sued.
At 180 degrees, she would have had a fighting chance to avoid 3rd degree burns, as opposed to 190 degrees, where she had virtually none.
Originally posted by aquageek
If the over makers are aware their products are too hot for human consumption, should we also sue them when they produce a fine hot pie? So, we are allowed to understand ovens are hot but not coffee?
Geek, have you read your pie box? Last time I checked, it states that contents will be (too) hot, and it tells you how long to wait before consumption. There is nothing on a McDonald's cup that warns that contents are 10-40 degrees hotter than any other hot beverage you would normally get. (You keep equating 1st and 3rd degree burns.)
Connie, good for you, that you take more precautions in more dangerous situations. I also agree that there needs to be more personal accountability in general. The problem is when the situation becomes more dangerous without your knowledge. Precautions that are reasonable for a normal hot beverage, become inadequate at 190 degrees.
Let's try a metaphor. AquaG is practicing his dives, knows how to do a safe start into a 4 ft. deep pool. The markings on the side of the pool say "Shallow water" and "No diving without instructor". Well, it turns out one lane is only 2 ft deep, but because of an optical illusion, looked to be the same depth as the other lanes. No markings or signs to distinguish this special lane from the others. AG cracks his skull and spends time in the hospital. I come along and say, "AG was stupid, he knew the dangers of diving into a shallow pool". Connie comes along, and says that she always slides into the pool, so it is AG's fault for diving at all. Other people come along, and gripe that they won't let anyone start in any of the lanes, because of AG. Would you agree with all of this? Or would you complain (to management) that there should have been some sign that this lane was much shallower than the others?
