Ultimate Swim Times

I've often wondered this myself. It's a theoretical discussion. Ultimately, there is some unattainable time for every event. The way world record times are now bested by tenths and hundreths of seconds leads me to believe the days of chopping off huge chunks are over. I suggest to you that altering the rules for strokes is more likely to reduce times dramatically at this point. Will someone ever go a :15 in the 50? You never know, but seems unlikely.

Do you think they will come up with even newer technology that will help accomplish faster times. Their have been arguments about all these new suits. If they really do take off time then who knows what they will come up with in fifty years. I do wonder myself if their is really a limit to how fast human kind can go and keep breaking records.

This is a great theoretical discussion as it pertains to lowering times to a point where it is physically impossible to go any lower. As I posted in a recent thread, I still maintain that using VO2MAX Shampoo could theoretically enable a swimmer to explode off the block and actually finish the race before it starts. Having said that, discussions such as this are somewhat abstract to say the least…and…much the same as trees falling in the forest and no one being around to hear the sound….but…whatever logic I have remaining in my rather bent head….I think there is a point where we simply cannot go. Lets face it, swimming a 50 free in 5 seconds is simply NOT going to happen…EVER…regardless of the advances in suits, training, human conditioning, human evolution or anything else…Of coarse, I randomly chose 5 seconds as a point of reference to buttress my thoughts regarding the point where we simply will never be able to go. In reality, I believe it will be much higher then 5 seconds…but where is anyone’s guess…and I also believe we are within….say….3 to 4 seconds of this number in the 50 free…..no matter how much time we give it. Lastly, I heard the tree when it fell in the forest and I wasn’t even there….were not, was to, was so, was not….what's really wild is that tree had my tree house in it....honest....it really did....

Slightly off this topic (oh yeah, I guess the whole thread has drifted a bit, hasn't it?), but I've often wondered if someone will discover, or I guess invent, a new stroke that is faster than front crawl. Just because crawl is the fastest stroke now, doesn't mean there isn't some other way we could swim that would be faster.

Just don't get nutty and apply the V02Max ointment and balm to places it doesn't belong. Otherwise, your blooming abilities are gravely impacted.

To be serious about this, butterfly may eventually overtake freestyle as the fastest stroke, what hinders it is the two hand touch rule. The start hurts backstroke, is there one single reason to start in the water? Is there a real reason for two handed touch in fly and breaststroke? Remember freestyle used to have to touch with the hand. Some World Records Long Course are not up to pare in my opinion. Women have dropped from 56 to 53 in the 100, yet the 200 has not dropped as much. The womens 100 back is slow. Mens 100 *** could be in the 58's instead of the high 59's. Look at how much the mens 200 and 400 IM's have dropped by just one still very young american. He is still learning the breaststroke leg:p The mens back stroke could be 1-2 seconds faster. I think eventually we will get a swimmer like Edward Moses in track, he ran as fast as he could as far as he could, gradually building up so he could sprint the whole 400 hurdles. Eventually some male freestyler will go out in 21 high and come back in 24 low for a 45 100meter freestyle. The butterfly may see a 49 this year or next, hope it is Crocker!

I have used VO2MAX and Technique. I found a bottle of the Late Bloomer scent in the lockerroom at Nationals right after the 1000 free. I've tried them all! And they work!! Here is the proof - I placed first in all my events and I earned top ten times in the 39 and under, blond, only swam a year in highschool, three years of training as an adult AND under 5'6" group. Michael

Wow, Mike great swimming....Maybe I should swim in that age group.... I had to stop using that VO2MAX Shampoo because I kept finishing my races before I began and it really fouled up my internal body clock when I lost all track of time... One time I met MYSELF while transversing back to the touch pad...I stopped and had a brief conversation, and....still won the race. Go figure....It is powereful stuff...

Originally posted by Tom Ellison Wow, Mike great swimming....Maybe I should swim in that age group.... I had to stop using that VO2MAX Shampoo because I kept finishing my races before I began and it really fouled up my internal body clock when I lost all track of time... See your problem is your using the one with the flux capicitor additive. You need to buy the flux capacitor free kind.

Please stop! I can't take it anymore. My co-workers can't figure out why I am rolling around on the floor laughing hysterically!:D :D :D You have it all wrong anyway. My shampoo is called PhelpsMax. It turned me 18 years old again. And faster than I ever imagined possible. It doesn't have the side effects of the VO2Max either - for example Tom having a conversation with himself. Watch out for that ThorpeMax shampoo - the side effects are an uncontrollable urge to fall off the blocks.....